"no helmet rule" with pics posted

[Robert4570]

Hello all ,
Have a question which anyone might be able to answer or a moderator can answer.

I have seen many pictures deleted from this site because the person(s) in the picture(s) was not wearing a helmet .
Why then are all the videos in this site allowed when hardly anybody is wearing a helmet?
Rules are rules but we should be consistent with them.  Almost all the videos in this site are in violation of this "rule".

I am sure you can put a disclaimer to the effect of we are not responsible for the content but that's nonsense , bending the rules for one and not the other?
Looking forward to response,
Thanks

[MadMudder]

Yea that is a pretty good question. I do know that you can't view the videos or pics unless you become a member or login.

[Robert4570]

I agree with wearing helmets especially for kids i just think if we are trying to set prcedent  for safety with helmets , then the same should apply to videos.

Especially when you see a bunch a sport quads racing across an open field  with no protective gear .
Just my opinion .

[MadMudder]

Now i do agree with the helmet thing. Everybody should wear one but it should be mandatory for the kids. Now for the protective gear and chest protectors and stuff like that, those things should be optional. I just ride in jeans and a t shirt. I can see if you are on an mx track. But just for normal riding, i wouldn't bother with that kind of stuff.

[tampaboy813]

I feel the same way one or the other...the big deal to all this is the media comes to pages and looks for info on stuff like this....and the last thing we need is more bad info going to the media....

[dreth]

this should get good and controversial(sp) by wednesday

[qt314nfla]

Ok, so the pics posted of ppl playing in the mud in first gear.  I can run faster than the bikes are moving.  Should there be helmets?

I wear mine 99.9% of the time and I'm a helmet advocate.  But there are the few times when at a mud hole where I might take it off.  Is this ok or should I wear a helmet then too?

[Robert4570]

Ok, so the pics posted of ppl playing in the mud in first gear.  I can run faster than the bikes are moving.  Should there be helmets?

I wear mine 99.9% of the time and I'm a helmet advocate.  But there are the few times when at a mud hole where I might take it off.  Is this ok or should I wear a helmet then too?

I agree with  you , I,ve been ridin' 3 wheelers since 1977 with no helmet , never wore one .
I am not a helmet advocate I just disagree with the no helmet no pic posted on site rule. Thats why i pointed out the videos not having helmets and the discrepency between the two. If we are trying to achieve something by not showing riders without helmets then do the same with the videos.
I  don't ride with a helmet , i ride swamps my top speed by GPS  is 3-5 mph.

[Numkut]

It doesn't seem likely that a helmet would be of much help in the mud.

[jwscroll]

I have had treads erased by moderators for being asmartmouthed redneck, but it was done under the pretense of not having helmets in the pic. I have to agree w/the view that this site is  hipocritical when it comes to helmets.  Also, I wore my helmet in the mud this week just for this site and almost passed out from heat exhaustion. And as far as the media coming here to learn more about ATV they're idiots anyway and unless they go ridin they don't know jack.

[ish]

also some of the pics in here have ppls heads blacked out. ooohhhh what a difference, no they're not riding without helmets. ppl can see that if you have a head cut off in a pic then your not wearing a helmet, some of us are not stupid. personally i wear my helmet everytime i ride my banshee, but when i ride my 4x4 i dont wear it cause i am not going 1/4 of the speed. just my 2cents

[Robert4570]

 Nothing wrong with being a smart mouthed redneck
as long as you make a valid point  jwscroll.

As for the media , guess what ? Only bad news makes headlines , anybody ever realize that ?
Ever see the news about an uneventful weekend at your local mudhole where no body got hurt , arrested, or chased by the sheriff ?
Only the negative gets attention and thats where the helmet issues comes in.

Its about presenting a good public image , but in reality those that oppose our favorite pass time , enviromentalists, public saftey advocate groups, some yuppies etc , don't care if you wear one or not they prefer this activity gone.

Look at the big cypress with ORV's there  and i am  going to cut this short now.  Its not just a florida problem as most of you know ,but  a nation wide probelm  .
Research when you get a chance and you'll see the much bigger picture.

Also ,last while entering this reply i noitced ISH's post and like to note that a valid point is made.
"I wear my helmet everytime i ride my banshee, but when i ride my 4x4 i dont wear it cause i am not going 1/4 of the speed. just my 2cents "


Thanks

[Robert4570]

this should get good and controversial(sp) by wednesday

By the way , good observation dreth.
Stirring up the hornets nest over here.

[kawGIRL]

this should get good and controversial(sp) by wednesday

[Ida_Mann]

the speed argument in this topic makes no sence because I would have a cracked head from riding a few weeks back at only about 1-2 MPH if I wasn't wearing a helmet.

There was nowhere to go except down to the ground and let the dang quad roll over me,,,,I was picking clay out of the facemask area for a few minutes after that one,,,,I dunno what a 400lb quad would have done to my hard head, but I'm glad I was wearing that plastic thing on my head.

Id@

[Exmx54]

Just wear it if you want to post vids, I'll always wear a helmet, can't replace your head. If you disagree then just don't post pics or vids, the site mainly doesnt allow it because it's wrong to ride without one, even if you're going 4 MPH, maybe you'll drive into an uneven pothole in the mud, which happens a lot and have the quad flip over on top of you.

[apkkfx400]

Now i do agree with the helmet thing. Everybody should wear one but it should be mandatory for the kids. Now for the protective gear and chest protectors and stuff like that, those things should be optional. I just ride in jeans and a t shirt. I can see if you are on an mx track. But just for normal riding, i wouldn't bother with that kind of stuff.

I have to agree with MadMudder-Rarely do I see the use for a helmet in the mud or just cruisin' around on open trails.  When you're blasting thru the trails or on a mx track-better have a helmet on or lose what's inside (of the helmet that is).  Fell true this past weekend at hardrock-on the outback track I misjudged the severity of the whoops on the back stretch of the track and hit them a lot faster than I should have-felt like I was on a bull ride-spit me off and I rolled approx 3 times-lost track after 1 1/2 and hit my head against track pretty hard-I was fine, but thanks to the helmet!!!!

Bottom line is, it's a judgement call, you know how and where you ride-I ride my quad to the point where I feel I need to wear it 98% of the time-the other 2% is after maintenance or working on it-not ridin' fast just making sure everything sounds and feels alright!!

[J.D.]

Some times you just have to appreciate what little you can get away with , now that someone has opened up this can of worms , i'm shure posting pics wont be as easy in the future . Being in a politically correct state of mind all the time sucks .Just look at the politicians . Dont they look happy . As far as the No helmet rule ...how does H Stern say it .. If you dont like it change the channel .

[Robert4570]

JD ,
Brought the subject up because a couple of the Holey Land Memorial Day ridin' pics you  posted had the heads blacked out.
Good pictures you posted it sucks to see them blacked out thats all.
I know I'm not the first to bring this up and don't mean to upset anybody but, obviously that this a touchy subject so I'll drop it.
This is an excellent site , I just happen to disagree with that one rule.

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[TRX350_On_The_Rack]

If your under 18 than you should be wearing a helmet in pics. That easy.

[PLAYBOY_400]

HELMETS NEED TO BE WORNE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DOING . IF YOUR ON THE BIKE AND JUST GOING FOR A LIL CRUISE IT STILL NEEDS TO BE ON. MY UNCLE DIED AT HOLLY LANDS LAST MARCH. HE ALWAYS WORE HIS HELMET. BUT THE ONE TIME HE DICIDE TO GO OUT FOR A LIL JOY RIDE RIGHT IN FRONT OF WHERE WE WERE PARKED HE HIT A PIECE OF BAR STICKING UP FROM THE GROUND AT NO MORE THAN 5 MILES AN HOUR AND DIED FROM HEAD INJURIES. THE POINT IS NO MATTER WHETHER UR STANDING STILL OR DOING 5 MILES AN HOUR OR EVEN 70 YOU CAN DIE OR GET SERIOUSLY HURT IF YOU HIT UR HEAD THE WRONG WAY. THE BEST THING IS TO JUST WEAR IT. IF IT GETS TOO HOT TAKE A BREAK.

[TRX350_On_The_Rack]

HELMETS NEED TO BE WORNE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DOING . IF YOUR ON THE BIKE AND JUST GOING FOR A LIL CRUISE IT STILL NEEDS TO BE ON. MY UNCLE DIED AT HOLLY LANDS LAST MARCH. HE ALWAYS WORE HIS HELMET. BUT THE ONE TIME HE DICIDE TO GO OUT FOR A LIL JOY RIDE RIGHT IN FRONT OF WHERE WE WERE PARKED HE HIT A PIECE OF BAR STICKING UP FROM THE GROUND AT NO MORE THAN 5 MILES AN HOUR AND DIED FROM HEAD INJURIES. THE POINT IS NO MATTER WHETHER UR STANDING STILL OR DOING 5 MILES AN HOUR OR EVEN 70 YOU CAN DIE OR GET SERIOUSLY HURT IF YOU HIT UR HEAD THE WRONG WAY. THE BEST THING IS TO JUST WEAR IT. IF IT GETS TOO HOT TAKE A BREAK.

That was your uncle? My friend's Hondabeater and Csbchuck were there when it happened. They called in the GPS coordinates for the Helivac. Sorry for your loss.

[gery350]

trx-sorry for your loss. man thats gotta be tough.

[TRX350_On_The_Rack]

trx-sorry for your loss. man thats gotta be tough.

It was Playboy's uncle, but thanks for the concern.

[Robert4570]

Sorry for your loss Playboy .

[MadMudder]

If your under 18 than you should be wearing a helmet in pics. That easy.

So i guess that if your over 18 then your super man and cant be hurt when you flip off your quad and hit the ground head first. It should be that everybody wears one every time they hit the start button. I was playin under a bridge in a mud hole and we were watchin this guy on a 250ex hit this hole. Didn't look bad but when he went into it there was a pot hole and the whole quad went straight up in the air. Luckly he got it back on all fours but if it had came on topof him the the handel bars or the gas cap would have nailed him in the back of the head. Just goes to show you that even if your playin in the mud or hittin a jump at an MX track your brain should be protected.

[TRX350_On_The_Rack]

If your under 18 than you should be wearing a helmet in pics. That easy.

So i guess that if your over 18 then your super man and cant be hurt when you flip off your quad and hit the ground head first. It should be that everybody wears one every time they hit the start button. I was playin under a bridge in a mud hole and we were watchin this guy on a 250ex hit this hole. Didn't look bad but when he went into it there was a pot hole and the whole quad went straight up in the air. Luckly he got it back on all fours but if it had came on topof him the the handel bars or the gas cap would have nailed him in the back of the head. Just goes to show you that even if your playin in the mud or hittin a jump at an MX track your brain should be protected.

That's why I said in the pics. Helmets are good in my opinion, but it's not a law as of yet.

[J.D.]

I dont always agree with the no helmet no pics but I appreciate this site so I try to follow the rules . Last year I lost my father in a motorcycle accident because he was not wearing a helmet . I wish he would have had it on but he did not and he passed as a resul of a head injury. At first My reaction was everyone needs a helmet ...but then I remeber How much my dad loved to ride and how happy he was when the helmet law went away . It's not right to force your opinion on other people , but sometimes we hurt more than just ourselves in an accident...As far as the site goes we have to follow the rules if we want to enjoy the resource . I dont agree with the helmet rule , but I feel the moderators use pretty good  discression on what they allow to be posted .. THEY  seem pretty willing to work with us on it ... so thanks .

[HondaBeaterSFL]

Hey Playboy, What was was you uncles name? I think I was there that night. Sorry about your loss.

[Inyourdraft2000]

And all this time I thought the heads were blackened because they were riding in illegal locations and didnt want to be identified.
I guess there are a lot of good points made, the only one that counts is that whoever runs the forumn can do it their way. We dont have to like it or agree but if ya unto come here its the rules.
I would like to add the rules suck in general and some day when I am King I will make the rules as I see it....j/k,,,,I would like to create a beer commercial for our Admin's.."Heres to you Mr forumn administrator, for all your hard work overseeing your atv site on the world wide web and having something to offer for all ages in a clean environment. Thanks you Mr. Forumn administatorrrrrrrrrr"

[Honda328i]

this should get good and controversial(sp) by wednesday

By the way , good observation dreth.
Stirring up the hornets nest over here.

By the way, what is your opinion of gays riding Fords double on wetlands holding a beer with no helmets on?  LOL (I couldn't resist  )

[Robert4570]

this should get good and controversial(sp) by wednesday

By the way , good observation dreth.
Stirring up the hornets nest over here.

By the way, what is your opinion of gays riding Fords double on wetlands holding a beer with no helmets on?  LOL (I couldn't resist  )

LOL , 
Thats way too much to cover.
Besides that will require too much editing .
You'd have to black out the Ford ,only Dodges allowed ,the beer depending on the brand , and of course the alternative rider (PC ).

[bigsteve]

The rider that gets A head injury for not wearing A helmet is not the only one that gets hurt. Supose that person never recovers from their injury. That person just became A burden to his loved ones:(wife, husband, parent, brother ,sister) etc.So that person has to eat throgh A straw, And have someone wipe their butt for the rest of their lives. All because he did'nt like to wear A helmet. How selfish!

Some might say that I'm being exstreme. But just think about it?

I could'nt think of not being able to take care of my family, for A few moments of "FREEDOM".

[Gamer]

I agree with the site administrators on not allowing pictures without helmets.  If were to get more areas for riding then it needs to be perceived to the public that were doing it safe.  There are alot of environmentalists and public officials that visit this site that would love to use anything into there defence.  I personally do not wear a helmet on my utility bike.  I used to wear one when I was younger and had a 3 wheeler.  Those things were dangerous and easy to topple over.  I just enjoy cruising and riding on the trails.  Most places I go the speed limit is only 10 to 25 MPH.  You can do that on your bicycle.  Until they make people riding motorcycles wear helmets this issue should be a dead topic.  Of course anyone considered a minor should be wearing one.

[PLAYBOY_400]

THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR CONCERNS. MY UNCLES NAME WAS KEITH"SCOTT" WILSON

[raptor426]

everyone should wear their helmets.