6.4 Powerstroke production is suspened

[Chuck_Norris]

Navistar International Corporation announced today that it has suspended production of the Power Stroke® 6.4-liter diesel engine.  Ford has worked closely with Navistar and will take the necessary steps to resolve this issue. The company is continuing to build F-Series Super Duty trucks with the 6.4-liter diesel engine. We will provide an update on status when we have new information.

[Smoknbanshee]

HOLY COW......any word on why Chuck?

[Hoosier Daddy]

OHHHHH BOY! The 6.0 issues all over again....

[HondaATC]

Haha, I bought a Cummins when the 6.0 was coming out with tons of problems and it looks like theres gonna be a repeat for tons of other people for the 6.4 too!

[Chuck_Norris]

HOLY COW......any word on why Chuck?

It is not a quality issue of the engine. It is all boiling down to money, Ford and Navistar are trying to come to an agreement regarding outstanding/non paid warranty claims.  Navistar says our techs as a whole dont know what we are doing and Ford is refuting that with quality issues. That is the issue for the current law suit. until that is resolved Navistar has suspened production of the 6.4 temporarily

[Smoknbanshee]

i see......That is big man, that is real big....that could be a back breaker for Ford.

[backinsaddle]

you can read more here:
http://www.dieselpub.com/dp/news_detail.asp?pick=712&from=0

[foreman1]

HOLY COW......any word on why Chuck?

It is not a quality issue of the engine. It is all boiling down to money, Ford and Navistar are trying to come to an agreement regarding outstanding/non paid warranty claims.  Navistar says our techs as a whole dont know what we are doing and Ford is refuting that with quality issues. That is the issue for the current law suit. until that is resolved Navistar has suspened production of the 6.4 temporarily

This doesnt read of something that will be resolved quickly.
The 6.0 issues must have been a major headache for both companies. Its my understanding that its the 07 and later emmissions regs that're really complicating these new motors with all the additional electronics needed to control emmissions.

I do feel sorry for the tech that has to service one . Open the hood on and you cant see the motor due to all the clutter of electronics , hoses, etc.

I'm a 3 time Dodge Cummins owner and have been happy with them ,but was anxious to see the  new Fords .

[backinsaddle]

You couldn't pay me enough to be a tech on the 07+ fords powerstrokes.  my understanding is that anything more than minor motor work will require raising or removing the entire cab (i.e. a headgasket replacement)

[Bigscrb15]

the 08+ do require cab off for almost anything other than simple repairs. i think it will be resolved quickly, either they will agree soon or ford may tap into its volvo brand and bring a reliable engine over, i wish they would do the rather. or offer cat or cummins(and please dont anyone say ford owns cummins, they dont)

[gearhead400]

WOW! i know you have to remove the front brace that holds the radiator/condensor to get the motor out on most of the late model f250's and f-350's but the whole cab?! thats crazy.

I heard that ford was going to develop a twin turbo diesel? that would be pretty sick.

[MuddFreak77]

WOW! i know you have to remove the front brace that holds the radiator/condensor to get the motor out on most of the late model f250's and f-350's but the whole cab?! thats crazy.

I heard that ford was going to develop a twin turbo diesel? that would be pretty sick.

the 6.4 is a twin turbo, one VVT and one std turbo.

[foreman1]

Sorry but if the cab off deal is true , you'd have be crazy to buy one.

[Chillinthemost]

Pulling the cab is not a big deal if you have a lift. Do you know how many thousands of truck have had body lifts installed? Same thing, only you lift it temporarily and higher.

[Bigscrb15]

a lot of the 6.0 powerstroke repairs require you to remove the cab.

[dynodon]

the 08+ do require cab off for almost anything other than simple repairs. i think it will be resolved quickly, either they will agree soon or ford may tap into its volvo brand and bring a reliable engine over, i wish they would do the rather. or offer cat or cummins(and please dont anyone say ford owns cummins, they dont)

FORD owns cummins, There , I said it!!!!!!!
SORRY , I had to, you know me, always the "trouble" maker LOL

[Chillinthemost]

Whats funny is in a few years people will be saying how great the 6.0 was and how complicated and unreliable all the new stuff is.

[Bigscrb15]

the 08+ do require cab off for almost anything other than simple repairs. i think it will be resolved quickly, either they will agree soon or ford may tap into its volvo brand and bring a reliable engine over, i wish they would do the rather. or offer cat or cummins(and please dont anyone say ford owns cummins, they dont)

FORD owns cummins, There , I said it!!!!!!!
SORRY , I had to, you know me, always the "trouble" maker LOL

you think your all that because you finally win a drag race.

[dynodon]

Dont hate the playa, hate the game !!!!!

Chillin, your exactly right !!!!! in two years the 6.0 will be the best ever

[trx#9]

Buy a real truck, get a Chevy. The most reliable truck on the road.

[lugnuts]

wow!!! sounds like a pay me or im not going to give you what you want power kick now as far as cummins vs ford or any other truck. most is personal perferance I work in a chrysler dealer and have for 17 years and guys I can tell you the cummins engine is ok but the rest of the truck falls apart in 30k I owned a cummins truck for several years and went through 4 transmissions and 3 evaporators and 1 complete repaint in 42k miles so I sold it and got a powerstroke (7.3L) and it has never broke down in 146,000 miles! and just got a crew cab 6.0L last month and love it how ever if you bring in you cummins with a engine or turbo problem it you have a edge module or any other on it your warranty is over we are having alot of engine failures (common rail diesel) due to these being installed alot of head gaskets and presure regulators it hand the cust the bill

[Chillinthemost]

wow!!! sounds like a pay me or im not going to give you what you want power kick now as far as cummins vs ford or any other truck. most is personal perferance I work in a chrysler dealer and have for 17 years and guys I can tell you the cummins engine is ok but the rest of the truck falls apart in 30k I owned a cummins truck for several years and went through 4 transmissions and 3 evaporators and 1 complete repaint in 42k miles so I sold it and got a powerstroke (7.3L) and it has never broke down in 146,000 miles! and just got a crew cab 6.0L last month and love it how ever if you bring in you cummins with a engine or turbo problem it you have a edge module or any other on it your warranty is over we are having alot of engine failures (common rail diesel) due to these being installed alot of head gaskets and presure regulators it hand the cust the bill

That cant be right, Lugnuts. Everybody knows that Cummins never have ANY problems EVER .

[Chillinthemost]

Buy a real truck, get a Chevy. The most reliable truck on the road.

I heard that the forest service was going to use Chevys to groom the new trail system.





























They are soooo low to the ground that they are going to drag them throught the trails with a Ford to smooth out the whoops.

[Alba450]

That sucks!

I was trying to convince my dad into getting the '08 F-250 6.4L but he doesnt want to give up the Lighting, but I cant believe they have even more issues now with the new model.  But that twin turbo 6.4L has to haul some serious mail!   

[lugnuts]

Buy a real truck, get a Chevy. The most reliable truck on the road.

I heard that the forest service was going to use Chevys to groom the new trail system.


























They are soooo low to the ground that they are going to drag them throught the trails with a Ford to smooth out the whoops.

LOL   HAHA

[trx#9]

Buy a real truck, get a Chevy. The most reliable truck on the road.

I heard that the forest service was going to use Chevys to groom the new trail system.

At least you know that the job is going to get done.

[Bigscrb15]

That sucks!

I was trying to convince my dad into getting the '08 F-250 6.4L but he doesnt want to give up the Lighting, but I cant believe they have even more issues now with the new model.  But that twin turbo 6.4L has to haul some serious mail!  

no one said the engine had any trouble. from what i have heard it is very good. international is just stopping production until they get issues settled.

[Prairie Master]

They carry a huge price tag too. I looked at an 450 king rancher with a price tag of 62,450  Guess I'm keeping my 03

[Honda328i]

HOLY COW......any word on why Chuck?

This doesnt read of something that will be resolved quickly.
The 6.0 issues must have been a major headache for both companies. Its my understanding that its the 07 and later emmissions regs that're really complicating these new motors with all the additional electronics needed to control emmissions.

I do feel sorry for the tech that has to service one . Open the hood on and you cant see the motor due to all the clutter of electronics , hoses, etc.

I'm a 3 time Dodge Cummins owner and have been happy with them ,but was anxious to see the  new Fords .

Complicated electronics is right!  European and US emissions regulations are forcing re-designs in on and off-road vehicles, including diesels.  I am currently designing in a Cummins 6.7 255HP diesel engine into an aircraft support vehicle, and engines are not what they used to be.  In years past, you could hook up a fuel-pull solenoid and a starter and an engine would run.  This new Cummins engine controller has 3 connectors with 124 wires coming out.  It requires a $6,000+ a year subscription to the diagnostics software.

In four more years, we have to do this all over again beacuse then the diesels will require after-treatments (similar to a catalytic converter).  Some of the engine makers will be using a liquid called urea to reduce nitrous oxide emissions.  In case you didn't get that, urea is basically piss    (I'm not kidding)  Fill'er up Mater, one tank diesel, the other tank:  drain the lizard. 

[Bigscrb15]

They carry a huge price tag too. I looked at an 450 king rancher with a price tag of 62,450  Guess I'm keeping my 03

Right there with ya. But you gotta consider, the 450 is a truck that was previously a custom order deal. It is not ur standard light duty truck, its actually a medium duty. I have decided against upgrading to the 08's because I feel they are overpriced.

[Chuck_Norris]

Sorry but if the cab off deal is true , you'd have be crazy to buy one.

removing the cab is merely 6 chassis bolts, a few connectors and brake lines. 20 to 30 minutes later up and away she goes. This was the  method of choice for many of us in the repair field. very few did I rip the front end off of once learning the cab off approach. With the 7.3 it was optional to remove the cab for a major repair. not so with the 6.0's and future power plants.  as far as ever excepting the 6.0 liter as a good engine......   I'll take the 7.3 or even for that matter a 6.9 IDI over a 6.0

[foreman1]

Hey Chuck,
I guess provided a shop has the proper resources anything is possible. Just the idea of having to raise the cab for a service / repair job sounds a bit much to me . 
I'll be fair ....even my 2005 Dodge Cummins has 1/3 the motor under the dash so those last 2 cylinders might be a stretch to get to . When compared to my previous Dodges , the older ones had a much cleaner engine bay . A P-7100 mechanical pump ... no computer needed back then , you could alter the fuel delivery with a change of fuel plate.

[Anoriginal]

I tell you what, I spent some time behind the wheel of a new 450 with the 6.4 yesterday. The thing just hauls. Way faster than my 2005 6.0. Seemed to have great power all around and little turbo lag. The inline VGT/Std. turbo set up is nice. Quiet too.

I like my truck. No problems. Yep, I will buy a 6.4. in mid 2008. Same thing I have now, just a few years newer.

They'll get it figured out. They always do. I'm unconcerned.

[Chuck_Norris]

I tell you what, I spent some time behind the wheel of a new 450 with the 6.4 yesterday. The thing just hauls. Way faster than my 2005 6.0. Seemed to have great power all around and little turbo lag. The inline VGT/Std. turbo set up is nice. Quiet too.

I like my truck. No problems. Yep, I will buy a 6.4. in mid 2008. Same thing I have now, just a few years newer.

They'll get it figured out. They always do. I'm unconcerned.

Now there's a positive start.  :ThumbsUp.gif