discrimination or what?

[zman03]

can one group of enthusiast be allowed to build trails and ATV users be denied or discriminated against!!!!    WHY!!!    

[zman03]

why is this being allowed yet there is nowhere being allowed for atvs?

[zman03]

clearly there is a problem!!!

[zman03]

just not right!!!

[zman03]

yet no area to use an ATV!!!

[zman03]

sent a letter to the Mayor asking why!!!

[zman03]

no permits were pulled!!!   no impact fees were payed!!!     yet to do an ATV park!!  there are countless roadblocks why it cant be allowed!!    total BS!!!!!!!!!

[patches206]

Nothing surprises me anymore, wet land destruction in those pics hum thought that was against federal and state laws.

[zman03]

currently under inspection by the counties dept of environmental resource mngt.   Markam park is another place also doin trails without permits!!    but who's counting?   buncha BS!!   south florida was identified as the area with the highest need for an ATV facility in the entire state by the OHV committee. 

[cr500pro]

look at what they r doing  here in miami in key biscayne on virgina beach, the city has taken a huge peace of land worth million right by the ocean and made a huge moutain bike track/trail abour 4yrs ago and now there putting 3million dollars more to improve it and nothing for atv's any were...atv's and jet skis are being squeezed out of miami slowly.the average person does not give a crap about them.

[zman03]

i received a map of the property that shows clearly where the wetlands have been identified and mapped out. it clearly shows that the Illegal trails cross all over the wetlands. NO IMPACT FEES HAVE BEEN PAID!!!  NO PERMITS HAVE BEEN PULLED!!!  good time for a protest if you ask me!!!!   

[greenmachine]

Since CR500 is connected with the mayor of Miami he should be able to help your cause. Remember those bikes are silent, don't leak oil or gas and typically a mountain biker is much more environmentally conscious than the average atv rider in Miami. Not to mention it is legal to ride bikes on the road to and from this location. If Atvs were allowed it would turn into a dump, the roads around it would have illegal riding and racing going on and that would tie up the police force. I think you guys in south Florida are SOL on ever getting an atv park.

[zman03]

greenmachine, please lets stick to the subject on the post  PLEASE!    thanks!!

[AintSkeered]

It ain't discrimination, it's dollars and sense.

[cr500pro]

ive spoken to my uncle about the bike track at virgina beach  n he told me even tho its city property,he has nothing 2 do with it..he says a few county n state agencys like DERM, are the ones over seeing that project,,when i said 2 him, how about an atv track/park with in the city, he said,ill vote in favor of it in a minuet, now try convincing everybody else that its a good idea..........

[zman03]

I was contacted today by a (DERM employee) and was told they are gonna make the parks dept apply for the class 4 wetlands permit for the wetland area identified as being impacted by the trails that were made illegally and without permits  TOTAL BS!!!!!     yet state and federal law was ignored twice!!    this is the second incident at the this same park!!   NO ONE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!!   NO ONE FINED OR ARRESTED!!      absolute and utter frigin B.S.!!!      yet not a single legal place to recreate on an ATV

[zman03]

Dec 11th between 3-4 pm 5th floor at the county parks and rec office a meeting will be held to discuss designating an area for ATV's.  lets hope progress is made     the deputy mayor will be there ,the director of parks ,staff from the DERM office,etc. 

[Mars]

It ain't discrimination, it's dollars and sense.

It's also being under the radar. Have you ever head of bicyclist doing donuts in someone's driveway or drag racing on 8th street?

[ATCRIDER]

The crazy thing is -"Amelia" was the greatest place to ride ATC/ATV etc. (in the 70s & 80s -this was before it was a "park"). And before the Gratigny Xpressway was built. That huge lake in the back wasnt even there. There was MUCH more trails than what you see now. Those "bike trails" (whats left of them) were initially all ATV trails.
No -it wasnt legal -but was a VERY popular place. That place had it all. I still live seconds away and it still hurts to not ride there to this day. - It was really the greatest place for riding ever/anywhere. It doesnt even resemble what it looked like then. Almost all the pines were cut down to plant other crap. Just thought I'd share....

[ATCRIDER]

Was it something I said? -Sorry if I delrailed the thread...

[klutchbuster400]

Was it something I said? -Sorry if I delrailed the thread...

This site isn't very active, you'll get used to it lol.

[Anoriginal]

<----------------Still wondering when ATV riders became a protected class.

[nukacola]

<----------------Still wondering when ATV riders became a protected class.

Damn well should be!!!   

[cr500pro]

virgina key was an awesome place 2 ride atc/atvs back in the 70's n 80's. and guess who got that shut down,the atv riders.why? like always, dragging down the paved road,drinking, weed smoking,fights,arrests, a 1000 trucks/trailer/atvs. we riders are our own worst enemies.bicycles riders have alot of friends in miami, atvers dont.

[zman03]

cr500pro sell you vehicles and go bike riding!!   why be on a forum you dont support?  what is your motivation? why are you even here commenting?   what do you intend to accomplish?