Eureka Pit and area closed

[dreth]

Aorginal - at least she submitted comments from somewhere, what have you done. You get on and try to make amends to make the association look good, and prove nothing. A think somewhere I saw a post that you were real busy and didn't have the time to answer -- UUUUUhhhhhmmm It doesn't look that way.

NO! What have you done? You keep questioning what we have done in yet when you are asked the same question you have no answer ???I was the one that said " I am to busy to respond to you knuckle heads"!

[dreth]

And Paul, the 2 controllers for the playstation about made me fall out of my chair

[JackL]

And Paul, the 2 controllers for the playstation about made me fall out of my chair

I'll second that..

[Anoriginal]

Aorginal - at least she submitted comments from somewhere, what have you done. You get on and try to make amends to make the association look good, and prove nothing. A think somewhere I saw a post that you were real busy and didn't have the time to answer -- UUUUUhhhhhmmm It doesn't look that way.

Viper:

Here's the funny part. You and people of your ilk (like Lisa) dodge the truth like it's a plague. The association is hardly a few months old. The Eureka pit closure is over two years old. But, then again, if you and your ilk were as informed as you claim to be, you'd already know the following:

1.  The proposed closure was published as far back as 2004.

2.  Other than a comment made by the water management district in favor of keeping the pit open for ORV use (yep, you read that right, they were in favor of keeping it open for ORV use) nobody made any comments pro ORV.

3.  Prior to closing the pit, input was sought directly from ORV organizations such as FTR and numerous "Jeep oriented" associations/organizations. All of these inquiries went unanswered. (Hey, isn't Lisa a big "Jeep Club" guru?----Oh, that's right, they ostracised her because she pulled the same crap with them as she tries here.)

So, Mr. Viper the almighty and all informed, Dreth is right. What have you done? Where were you and Lisa when this was going on in your own back yard? The ATV association wasn't even a dream at the time this all started. However, if you and your ilk were truly involved and concerned the way you claim to be, it is you that has some explaining to do as to why you let this happen without opening your mouth.

God I love making you and Lisa look like the morons you are. Now go away or I'll thrash you again dummy. Boooo-yaaahhhh!

[ScooterB]

Office Of Greenways called me and promised to keep the association in the loop in future projects. We even discussed some areas they manage that the association may be able to help them open for ATV use.

:R 2:L :L

  And you believed them?!?!?!  :R Oh, and we are supposed to believe you have such power that this agency called you? 

  Okay, that is enough for me....I am not going to debate that issue, if Paul believes that the Office of Greenways and Trails is going to work with ya'll, more power to him and the association (and if you believe that Office of Greenways and Trails called him about this, out of the blue, because the association/rally is so powerful already ya'll need a CAT scan) Just folks, don't give up the idea of selling your home here and moving to another state where they are more ATV friendly. If the fight down in Collier County isn't enough to show Paul and the rest of NPORA that these agencies are not to be trusted, then nothing will.

  I truly am sorry to be slinging mud here too, but I just can't let Paul's post pass.....  :L

   I am done with this conversation....  :N

Ok now that NPORA has been mentioned, I must respond

We have to work with all state agency that oversee the land that want to aqiure for riding areas period.

I believe that a temporary riding area has been established in Collier County and a permanent site is in the works thanks to Rick, Brian, and Dennis for getting the riders of SW Fla organized.

Ill leave it at that............. Im done with the naysayers.
 

[viper]

You just don't seem to get it - I have nothing to prove - never have.

ScooterB thanks for the post - I know there was a previous thread with a conversation with one of the local newspapers in that area. Again thanks for the update. I hope everything works out for Rick and Dennis who have spent alot of time working on people down there.

[Joedirt]

You just don't seem to get it - I have nothing to prove - never have.

ScooterB thanks for the post - I know there was a previous thread with a conversation with one of the local newspapers in that area. Again thanks for the update. I hope everything works out for Rick and Dennis who have spent alot of time working on people down there.

Then what makes anything you say credible? or Worth acknowledging.

[JackL]

You just don't seem to get it - I have nothing to prove - never have.

ScooterB thanks for the post - I know there was a previous thread with a conversation with one of the local newspapers in that area. Again thanks for the update. I hope everything works out for Rick and Dennis who have spent alot of time working on people down there.

Then what makes anything you say credible? or Worth acknowledging.

Well he has demonstrated the amazing ability to incite folks with only 78 posts under his belt. Took me nearly 600 to get there. 

[Chuck_Norris]

Here's the funny part. You and people of your ilk (like Lisa) dodge the truth like it's a plague. The association is hardly a few months old. The Eureka pit closure is over two years old. But, then again, if you and your ilk were as informed as you claim to be, you'd already know the following:

1.  The proposed closure was published as far back as 2004.

2.  Other than a comment made by the water management district in favor of keeping the pit open for ORV use (yep, you read that right, they were in favor of keeping it open for ORV use) nobody made any comments pro ORV.

3.  Prior to closing the pit, input was sought directly from ORV organizations such as FTR and numerous "Jeep oriented" associations/organizations. All of these inquiries went unanswered. (Hey, isn't Lisa a big "Jeep Club" guru?----Oh, that's right, they ostracized her because she pulled the same crap with them as she tries here.)

So, Mr. Viper the almighty and all informed, Dreth is right. What have you done? Where were you and Lisa when this was going on in your own back yard? The ATV association wasn't even a dream at the time this all started. However, if you and your ilk were truly involved and concerned the way you claim to be, it is you that has some explaining to do as to why you let this happen without opening your mouth.

God I love making you and Lisa look like the morons you are. Now go away or I'll thrash you again dummy. Boooo-yaaahhhh!

Viper/ Lisa:
I eagerly await the response to the question of the hour. That being; Where are the fruits of your labor?
Forget the 2 stepping and the games of dodge bal & name calling or to Paul's point Put the PS2 controller down. Here is why.
If a nobody like me can pick a phone, write a few Emails and fax a few documents to raise attention and be enlighten of several down falls of communication within the OHV organization, then you 2 have no excuse not to produce results. Period! Lisa you whined and cried that you put to much time in and sacrificed you family time. That being said surely you would have something to contibute other than what we have

During the duration of this Thread I have probably talked with,emailed,faxed and had one on one conversations with representative of several political offices the OHVCC,AMA, Greenways and Trails and the F.T.R  just to name a few.
Here are the Fruits of my Labor. The closures boil down to the lack of communications and representation (am I wrong or was that your job) One comment that speak droves of truth is

3.  Prior to closing the pit, input was sought directly from ORV organizations such as FTR and numerous "Jeep oriented" associations/organizations. All of these inquiries went unanswered.

Here is why. After a lengthy conversation with Wayne Briske of NOHVCC I was enlightend that the representative Jack Torelle was tasked with ensuring that all the information regarding Eureka was to be put out to representing organizations for objections. The Representing organizations ias a whole were to submit their Objections.  Being that this was not done and the representation was not present to include an absent Jack Torelle curing the vote of closure. We had no foot to stand on. That is truely unsatisfactory.
I can assure you that I am not done. Anyone who knows me and the diligence I have when tasked, will attest to the no prisoners type approach that I posses. Now aside from all the Hot air you 2 have belched in lieu of results might I suggest developing an action plan and working with the Florida ATV Association for the benefit and positive resolve. Other wise I think I speak for many here, pack your crap and divorce yourself from this site. Because when you bring nothing to a relationship you get nothing out of it.  

[Chillinthemost]

Has anyone spoken with Jack Torrelle?

[lisa]

Do you think it may be possible that the association has contacted them, and they called because of that?

Yes bigscrub, I had thought of that before I posted; but then I read Paul's post again and didn't see him say they called him back. Without meaning to sound condescending, I do thank you for pointing that out.

  I know that these agencies don't just call groups/associations/clubs because of posts like this, let alone individuals. Even folks who have way more influence than this association has (an association that hasn't even had their first meeting yet as Anoriginal keeps pointing out....) don't get called up like Paul was insinuating. Now, if Paul contacted them to find out why Eureka was closed, and they returned his call that is different. But to cold contact, as Paul suggested; nope won't buy that with a wooden nickel at all! And neither should you! 

  Chillin, his name is Jack Terrell and if you want, I will call him.....it has been a while, but unless he is swamped with an emergency, or out of town, he will usually take my call.

 

[Paul_S]

Do you think it may be possible that the association has contacted them, and they called because of that?

Yes bigscrub, I had thought of that before I posted; but then I read Paul's post again and didn't see him say they called him back. Without meaning to sound condescending, I do thank you for pointing that out.

  I know that these agencies don't just call groups/associations/clubs because of posts like this, let alone individuals. Even folks who have way more influence than this association has (an association that hasn't even had their first meeting yet as Anoriginal keeps pointing out....) don't get called up like Paul was insinuating. Now, if Paul contacted them to find out why Eureka was closed, and they returned his call that is different. But to cold contact, as Paul suggested; nope won't buy that with a wooden nickel at all! And neither should you! 

  Chillin, his name is Jack Terrell and if you want, I will call him.....it has been a while, but unless he is swamped with an emergency, or out of town, he will usually take my call.

I can't see what difference it makes, but obviously he did not just dial some random digits and was lucky enough to speak to me. But did I call his agency first, no.  Was he returning a call from me or someone else from the association, no.  Best I can gather is that the US forestry service were discussing the closure of Eureka and the US Forestry service advised the Office Of the Greenway to call me and let me know why.  Had a very interesting conversation with him too.

Was I planning on calling him anyway to talk about Eureka, yes. Does it matter who called who first...well I guess it does to you and Sniper, I seriously doubt anyone else here cares and probably wishes they could just get the time back, they just wasting reading this schoolhouse cr@p. I sure wish I could. 

[Chuck_Norris]

Has anyone spoken with Jack Torrelle?

The Problem is not with Jack Torrelle, And to answer the question efforts to contact him have been made. He is no longer the President of the F.T.R. He is at the National level for NOHVCC. As soon as I hear back from him I will let you know. Paul S. had conversation with him at the last committee meeting. Paul spoke highly of him.

[lisa]

Jack is way cool Chuck...and he gets things done.

again, okay Paul.... 

[greenmachine]

I just want to know one thing........What is an ilk? :S

[Chillinthemost]

I just want to know one thing........What is an ilk? :S

Its french for mofo

[JackL]

I just want to know one thing........What is an ilk? :S

[viper]

He is land chairman for ftr anyone can pick that off the FTR website. The name is Jack Terrell, he is founder of ftr.

Now the truth behind the closure, to you paul and others it won't make a bit of difference, but i will speak anyway.

From OGT - The eerosion and downhill flow of sand into the river floodplain combined with the USFS designated trails next door all combined to make closure the decision.

Now if you really want to get it back open, there is a real easy way to do that, but you will have to work real hard, and from what i can see none of you are willing to work that hard, you want things handed to you on a silver plate.

[Paul_S]

He is land chairman for ftr anyone can pick that off the FTR website. The name is Jack Terrell, he is founder of ftr.

Now the truth behind the closure, to you paul and others it won't make a bit of difference, but i will speak anyway.

From OGT - The eerosion and downhill flow of sand into the river floodplain combined with the USFS designated trails next door all combined to make closure the decision.

Now if you really want to get it back open, there is a real easy way to do that, but you will have to work real hard, and from what i can see none of you are willing to work that hard, you want things handed to you on a silver plate.

Shame we can't all be great like you. 

Sniper, your mom asked me to pick up your supper tonight, I hope this will do;

[450rcrazy]

Here is something to wash those down with viper.

[dreth]

AND I THOUGHT THE PLAYSTATION CONTROLERS WERE FUNNY

[gtnwood]

I just want to know one thing........What is an ilk? :S

Its french for mofo

Well I'll be danged, I tought an Ilk was one them long horned critter's I saw at the zoo when I stopped in Mississippi for some Pascagoula.

[Sleazy_Rider78]

I just want to know one thing........What is an ilk? :S

it means "group of people", or family.

[gtnwood]

I just want to know one thing........What is an ilk? :S

it means "group of people", or family.

and usually with a derogatory connotation attached thereto :N

[viper]

Why isn't the news about the closure of Eureka not up on your florida atv association forum? Why isn't the newspaper article about collier county up on florida atv association forum? Collier county is in your neck of the woods.