Just got a 06 Chevy duramax 2500 Lt. 4+4. It has 16,000 miles on it aftermarket 20inch wheels on nitto's. I like to know what I can do to it performance wise without compromising the warranty. Also any advise about the maintenance of the diesel engine. I know a little but not a lot. Please don't turn this into a Chevy verse ford verse dodge debate. We all seen enough of that on here!
thank you, Erik. 8)
get and edge juice with attittude chip, get some gauges, pyro, boost , trans temp, change ur oil every 7,000 u should be good pm me and i cold tell ya more
Quote from: rollincoals on January 21, 2007, 09:37:22 PM
get and edge juice with attittude chip, get some gauges, pyro, boost , trans temp, change ur oil every 7,000 u should be good pm me and i cold tell ya more
I'd definetly stay far away from off the shelf chips/tuners, they do more harm than good 90% of the time. Your best bet is to give Elite Diesel a call, they can get you custom tunes for your truck and get you rollin' fast!!! www.elite-diesel.com
Quote from: Exmx54 on January 21, 2007, 09:56:33 PM
Quote from: rollincoals on January 21, 2007, 09:37:22 PM
get and edge juice with attittude chip, get some gauges, pyro, boost , trans temp, change ur oil every 7,000 u should be good pm me and i cold tell ya more
I'd definetly stay far away from off the shelf chips/tuners, they do more harm than good 90% of the time. Your best bet is to give Elite Diesel a call, they can get you custom tunes for your truck and get you rollin' fast!!! www.elite-diesel.com
I agree to go with a custom tune. I would goto some diesel forums and hangout there for awhile and find out whats working for your dmax, there are a couple different variations and each one responds a lil different to chips. try http://duramaxforum.com/ and thedieselstop.com you can google for some other ones.
Avoid any fuel boxes/chips etc.
Those trucks have more than enough power to pull any trailer you hook to it.
Airfilters ,large exhaust are about all i would do .
Some warranties have been voided because of fuel boxes , be cautious.
Quote from: foreman1 on January 21, 2007, 10:36:04 PM
Avoid any fuel boxes/chips etc.
Those trucks have more than enough power to pull any trailer you hook to it.
Airfilters ,large exhaust are about all i would do .
Some warranties have been voided because of fuel boxes , be cautious.
What is fuel boxes?
a fuel box cause ur trucks injectors to dump alot of fuel and make alot of smoke, just join the www.thedieselgarage.com u will find tons of info there
Just get a chip that is removeable and untraceable.
get with Wayne from krome and kustomz in orlando. he is 01ZX12R here on the website. he is a fellow rider ;)
Quote from: trx#9 on January 21, 2007, 10:56:26 PM
Quote from: foreman1 on January 21, 2007, 10:36:04 PM
Avoid any fuel boxes/chips etc.
Those trucks have more than enough power to pull any trailer you hook to it.
Airfilters ,large exhaust are about all i would do .
Some warranties have been voided because of fuel boxes , be cautious.
What is fuel boxes?
Thats just a nick name used for most of your aftermarket electronic plug in play performance kits like Edge ,Bully Dog . Most of these units control the fuel delivery , some the waste gate and so on .
Diesel's have come a long way , they've got more electronics than ever.
Quote from: Bigscrb15 on January 21, 2007, 11:34:33 PM
Just get a chip that is removeable and untraceable.
Removable yes, untraceable no. A good tech can see the manipulation in the stored data. Most will not.
Maintenance wise: Fuel filters are very important 10~12k Max between changes. Oil changes as others have stated.
Things to watch out for: Intake temp sensor fail followed by the intake heater. Fuel pressure sensors fail. Left foot braking will trigger check engine lamp.
We have a few Duromax in our fleet that are holding up well for the most part.
Quote from: Mars on January 22, 2007, 07:46:43 AM
Removable yes, untraceable no. A good tech can see the manipulation in the stored data. Most will not.
There may be very few products that leave data, but almost all of them are untraceable once removed, especially the inline units. All the programmers I know of make a clone of the stock pcm and you can put that back on before a dealer visit.
Quote from: Mars on January 22, 2007, 07:46:43 AM
Maintenance wise: Fuel filters are very important 10~12k Max between changes. Oil changes as others have stated.
YES!!! Unless you own a PowerStroke, I won't go over 5-6K miles on oil and our fuel filters are good for 15k miles.
Quote from: Mars on January 22, 2007, 07:46:43 AMThings to watch out for: Intake temp sensor fail followed by the intake heater. Fuel pressure sensors fail.
Yep, ICP, EGR, and other valves and sensors also fail often under performance tuning.
Quote from: Mars on January 22, 2007, 07:46:43 AM
Left foot braking will trigger check engine lamp.
Never heard of that, might be a truck specific problem.
There is practically nothing that you can do to your truck (with exception of an exhaust system and cold air intake system ) that will be ok with the manufacturer. If you put on "untraceable" mods and something goes wrong ,do not assume that GM does not know what was done to your vehicle!! They have seen what these mods do and they share this info with the dealers. If the dealer you go to has a good diesel tech and the service manager has half a brain you will not be covered under warranty. Be careful with the mods you use it could bite back if they find it had "anything "to do with the service complaint. GM is cracking down on dealers that are making bad warranty claims. See, the parts (if its a questionable claim) either are looked over by a GM area rep or they are returned to GM for a engineer to review. If its found the warranty repair was done erroneously , they charge the dealer back. The dealers are now being urged to do what they can on their side to curtail this from happening.
Quote from: SomBch on January 22, 2007, 10:08:25 AM
There is practically nothing that you can do to your truck (with exception of an exhaust system and cold air intake system ) that will be ok with the manufacturer. If you put on "untraceable" mods and something goes wrong ,do not assume that GM does not know what was done to your vehicle!! They have seen what these mods do and they share this info with the dealers. If the dealer you go to has a good diesel tech and the service manager has half a brain you will not be covered under warranty. Be careful with the mods you use it could bite back if they find it had "anything "to do with the service complaint. GM is cracking down on dealers that are making bad warranty claims. See, the parts (if its a questionable claim) either are looked over by a GM area rep or they are returned to GM for a engineer to review. If its found the warranty repair was done erroneously , they charge the dealer back. The dealers are now being urged to do what they can on their side to curtail this from happening.
They can not deny your warranty claim unless they can prove it was caused directly from an aftermarket part. The Magnusson Moss act protects consumers form that. A lot of dealers will say the Magnusson Moss does not apply to this or that because of certain reasons, but it applies to all vehicles!
Magnuson- Moss is consumer protection against fraud.
The Act and the Rules establish three basic requirements that may apply to you, either as a warrantor or a seller.
As a warrantor, you must designate, or title, your written warranty as either "full" or "limited."
As a warrantor, you must state certain specified information about the coverage of your warranty in a single, clear, and easy-to-read document.
As a warrantor or a seller, you must ensure that warranties are available where your warranted consumer products are sold so that consumers can read them before buying.
These main rules state , that if you state there is a warranty you have to show the outlines of that warranty. GM says in 2006 3yrs/ 36months bumper to bumper , but they dont cover anything due to accident ,misuse, ALTERATION, insufficent or improper maintenance, contaminated or poor fuel quality. Again , be smart about what you do to your vehicle if you are concerned about your factory warranty. If you have any questions regarding what the warranty covers or does not cover go to www.gmgoodwrench.com or try www.gm.com both should verify the above mentioned, as well a answer any other questions.
Yes, but it is up to the dealer to prove that that alteration caused the malfunction.
Quote from: foreman1 on January 21, 2007, 10:36:04 PM
Avoid any fuel boxes/chips etc.
Those trucks have more than enough power to pull any trailer you hook to it.
Airfilters ,large exhaust are about all i would do .
Some warranties have been voided because of fuel boxes , be cautious.
U R Correct!!!! 100% ;)
Quote from: foreman1 on January 21, 2007, 10:36:04 PM
Avoid any fuel boxes/chips etc.
Those trucks have more than enough power to pull any trailer you hook to it.
Airfilters ,large exhaust are about all i would do .
Some warranties have been voided because of fuel boxes , be cautious.
I agree, and all I am probably going to do to my truck if I keep it is intake and exhaust. I posted all the other info because this guy wants to mod his truck and make it faster. I tow a 12k pound trailer so I don't need all that power to rip my transmission off.
If SOMEONE ever finds me a new truck I may mod it.
Quote from: Bigscrb15 on January 22, 2007, 01:34:23 PM
I tow a 12k pound trailer so I don't need all that power to rip my transmission off.
Thats why you need the 6 speed manual No ripping trannys out there ;) ;D
A couple of important things to remember when servicing a diesel is use oil for diesels, not regular oil, change your fuel filters more often than gas engines, and also an often overlooked thing is your radiator fluid. Another little tip would be to take the manufacturers advice and warnings about using starting fluid. VERY risky especially with turbo diesels.
Per Ford Motor Company:
Modifications to youR vehicle could result in Denial of warranty coverage by Ford Motor Company. Such modifications include but not limited to:
A. Suspension lifts
B. Performance chips & programers
C. Over size tires
D. Exhaust and intake systems
E. Alarm Systems
Quote from: Chuck_Norris on January 22, 2007, 02:08:17 PM
Per Ford Motor Company:
Modifications to youR vehicle could result in Denial of warranty coverage by Ford Motor Company. Such modifications include but not limited to:
A. Suspension lifts
B. Performance chips & programers
C. Over size tires
D. Exhaust and intake systems
E. Alarm Systems
And what are you a FORD MECHANIC??? ;)
Now, it could result, but the mod would have to be the cause of the malfunction, right?
If i did a chip or new program install and intake would that compromise my longevity of the vehicle. Which is better a chip or a new program install or is it the same. Will just a k&n by itself help or do I need to get the whole cold air system.
I also heard that you have to run a additive in the fuel due to the low sulfur in diesel now, to keep the valves lubed up. Like every 3rd. refuel.
thank, for the help guys ;D
Quote from: trx#9 on January 22, 2007, 07:43:02 PM
If i did a chip or new program install and intake would that compromise my longevity of the vehicle. Which is better a chip or a new program install or is it the same. Will just a k&n by itself help or do I need to get the whole cold air system.
I also heard that you have to run a additive in the fuel due to the low sulfur in diesel now, to keep the valves lubed up. Like every 3rd. refuel.
thank, for the help guys ;D
Valves are not the problem. Fuel pumps and injector will fail at shorter intervals. Their internals prefer more lubricity than the current 15ppm ULS.
To clarify my earlier note on left foot braking: ECM sees throttle, ECM/PCM tells trany shift/lock-up etc/ brake switch tells trany no shift. Basic conflict of interest, I'm sure GM is already working on an update to minimize triggers.
And yes NO starting fluid unless you disconnect the intake heater. The modern intake heater is a red-hot resistance. It's like spraying it in your toaster while is on; Then you'll be know as Flash. ;D
Quote from: Bigscrb15 on January 22, 2007, 01:34:23 PM
Quote from: foreman1 on January 21, 2007, 10:36:04 PM
Avoid any fuel boxes/chips etc.
Those trucks have more than enough power to pull any trailer you hook to it.
Airfilters ,large exhaust are about all i would do .
Some warranties have been voided because of fuel boxes , be cautious.
I agree, and all I am probably going to do to my truck if I keep it is intake and exhaust. I posted all the other info because this guy wants to mod his truck and make it faster. I tow a 12k pound trailer so I don't need all that power to rip my transmission off.
If SOMEONE ever finds me a new truck I may mod it.
How about an S-10 4cyl stick?
Quote from: SWAMP_DONKEY on January 22, 2007, 09:50:15 PM
Quote from: Bigscrb15 on January 22, 2007, 01:34:23 PM
Quote from: foreman1 on January 21, 2007, 10:36:04 PM
Avoid any fuel boxes/chips etc.
Those trucks have more than enough power to pull any trailer you hook to it.
Airfilters ,large exhaust are about all i would do .
Some warranties have been voided because of fuel boxes , be cautious.
I agree, and all I am probably going to do to my truck if I keep it is intake and exhaust. I posted all the other info because this guy wants to mod his truck and make it faster. I tow a 12k pound trailer so I don't need all that power to rip my transmission off.
If SOMEONE ever finds me a new truck I may mod it.
How about an S-10 4cyl stick?
Im only towing a toy hauler, not a semi trailer, find me somethin a lil smaller so i can at least get around town.
Whats the purpose of starting fluid. :-\
Quote from: trx#9 on January 22, 2007, 10:11:21 PM
Whats the purpose of starting fluid. :-\
Uhh? like maybe to try "starting" the engine when it has run out of fuel?????
Quote from: duroc825 on January 23, 2007, 09:26:56 AM
Quote from: trx#9 on January 22, 2007, 10:11:21 PM
Whats the purpose of starting fluid. :-\
Uhh? like maybe to try "starting" the engine when it has run out of fuel?????
It is also very useful to spray and light the stream on fire and then burn ant mounds with. I wouldn't recommend you try this though because the can can explode.
Quote from: Bigscrb15 on January 23, 2007, 09:55:59 AM
It is also very useful to spray and light the stream on fire and then burn ant mounds with. I wouldn't recommend you try this though because the can can explode.
This is kinda like asking anyone if they have used the small propane bottles for target practice, cause they explode real good..... LMAO :o
Quote from: MuddFreak77 on January 23, 2007, 12:26:25 PM
Quote from: Bigscrb15 on January 23, 2007, 09:55:59 AM
It is also very useful to spray and light the stream on fire and then burn ant mounds with. I wouldn't recommend you try this though because the can can explode.
This is kinda like asking anyone if they have used the small propane bottles for target practice, cause they explode real good..... LMAO :o
They don't always explode. Depends what gun you use. It lets you know if you hit it though.
my $0.02: if you make any mods to your truck, be prepared to be your own warranty station. Whether you get the dealer to make repairs really depends on each dealer. Some are sticklers, and if they see anything that looks suspicions, they will deny the claim. In the dodge world, there is only one chip manufacture that's supposedly undetectible. All other chips can be detected, regardless of what the manufacturer of the chip states. It may take a manufacturer rep to come out and hook up a computer, but they can find it, EVEN IF YOU USE THE SETTINGS TO RESTORE BACK TO STOCK, AS MOST CHIPS HAVE. More and more people are modding their diesels, and the dealers know what to look for, it just depends on how much they want to push back.
Quote from: duroc825 on January 23, 2007, 09:26:56 AM
Quote from: trx#9 on January 22, 2007, 10:11:21 PM
Whats the purpose of starting fluid. :-\
Uhh? like maybe to try "starting" the engine when it has run out of fuel?????
duh! I didn't know if there was something else being done with it and who's dumb enough to run out of gas anyways. :N
Quote from: trx#9 on January 22, 2007, 10:11:21 PM
Whats the purpose of starting fluid. :-\
I thought it was for seating tire beads.
Quote from: trx#9 on January 22, 2007, 10:11:21 PM
Whats the purpose of starting fluid. :-\
If you ever do run outta fuel and are having trouble starting after priming the injectors, a real easy way is to take a rag with gas and hold it in front of the breather. Once it starts pull it away, and then you dont have to worry about the starting fluid. Now i know this is not a factory recommended method but it work real well.
Quote from: trx#9 on January 23, 2007, 06:06:38 PM
Quote from: duroc825 on January 23, 2007, 09:26:56 AM
Quote from: trx#9 on January 22, 2007, 10:11:21 PM
Whats the purpose of starting fluid. :-\
Uhh? like maybe to try "starting" the engine when it has run out of fuel?????
duh! I didn't know if there was something else being done with it and who's dumb enough to run out of gas anyways. :N
Another good tip would be to NOT use "gas" in your diesel!
I"m not sure about Ford but the Cummins has a primer bulb by the fuel filter that works when ya run out of "fuel"
It all depends on what your dealer is like you have to get a feel for the dealer service manager. Just ask about it. I personally own a 2006 f350 powerstoke with 12 inch lift, full air raid intake system, turboback 4 inch exhaust no cat turndown under truck by back axle, Bullydog Tridog system with outlookmointor, my local dealer services my truck a couple of the mechanics there own superduty trucks with all kinds of the same stuff I use. Not one word about it. You just have to use the computer systems with a little COMMON SENSE.........................................................................
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Quote from: kuma on January 24, 2007, 08:04:05 PM
It all depends on what your dealer is like you have to get a feel for the dealer service manager. Just ask about it. I personally own a 2006 f350 powerstoke with 12 inch lift, full air raid intake system, turboback 4 inch exhaust no cat turndown under truck by back axle, Bullydog Tridog system with outlookmointor, my local dealer services my truck a couple of the mechanics there own superduty trucks with all kinds of the same stuff I use. Not one word about it. You just have to use the computer systems with a little COMMON SENSE.........................................................................
Superchips programing, is it any good? I see them on ebay for around 300 bucks. Nice truck!! ;D
try looking in www.dieselstop.com homework
Quote from: kuma on January 24, 2007, 08:27:00 PM
try looking in www.dieselstop.com homework
That is a Ford site, he has a Cheby. Try here.
http://www.thedieselgarage.com/
Quote from: Chillinthemost on January 24, 2007, 08:31:41 PM
Quote from: kuma on January 24, 2007, 08:27:00 PM
try looking in www.dieselstop.com homework
That is a Ford site, he has a Cheby. Try here.
http://www.thedieselgarage.com/
thanks
Eric, I have the duramax with the Edge Products tuner with the attitude. www.edgeproducts.com Its been on mine for 2 1/2 years with absolutely no problems. I drive the crap out of it. I did some research before
I got it and it's probably the safest chip for the tranny.
i would recommend a tranny valve body with any programmer. no matter if your best friend has used a programmer for 20 years without trouble. you never know. also I would recommend custom tuned chips instead of off the shelf products. air intake AFE, and exhaust. Enjoy, I am a ford man, but love all diesels. I just love RELIABLE diesel power in general.
I personally would not use edge with attitude had it on my 04 ford powerstroke and edge's system does not do anything for the transmission but destroy it. The line pressure needs a piggyback system to operate right. But each his own.
Quote from: Bigscrb15 on January 21, 2007, 11:34:33 PM
Just get a chip that is removeable and untraceable.
quess you dont know about OBD3 :'(
Quote from: Chuck_Norris on January 22, 2007, 02:08:17 PM
Per Ford Motor Company:
Modifications to youR vehicle could result in Denial of warranty coverage by Ford Motor Company. Such modifications include but not limited to:
A. Suspension lifts
B. Performance chips & programers
C. Over size tires
D. Exhaust and intake systems
E. Alarm Systems
I even herd that installing after market radios are going to No! No! ...
Crap...I got A,B,C, and D
But I have a question that Ive been wondering about for quite some time now - Can they deny a warranty claim for a vehicle that has had modifications but the part that went bad would be clearly unaffected by the modifications? Such as.... Your starter goes out, could they deny the claim because your truck is lifted, with oversized tires, chip, etc
Quote from: The Quad FaJa on January 28, 2007, 11:21:50 AM
Quote from: Bigscrb15 on January 21, 2007, 11:34:33 PM
Just get a chip that is removeable and untraceable.
quess you dont know about OBD3 :'(
But its still under development, it is not on anyones truck right now so it doesnt matter. I will not a buy a vehicle with OBD3 if they stick with their current idea on it. OBD3 would have a radio transmitter that would relay your cars info(tied to your VIN number) to recievers along the higways. That is crazy.
What? OBD3? Why would they need to transmit car's info?
Quote from: xr100racer on January 28, 2007, 11:37:51 AM
Crap...I got A,B,C, and D
But I have a question that Ive been wondering about for quite some time now - Can they deny a warranty claim for a vehicle that has had modifications but the part that went bad would be clearly unaffected by the modifications? Such as.... Your starter goes out, could they deny the claim because your truck is lifted, with oversized tires, chip, etc
I would say that you wouldn't have a problem with a dealer warrantee on a starter because of a lift kit. I also dont think it would break you even if you did have to buy a starter if they did deny you warrantee. Your problem is going to come when they deny you warrantee on your tranny because of your chip or melted pistons because of your chip and you get a $5000 to $10k repair bill to go along with your monthly payments.
Quote from: xr100racer on January 28, 2007, 01:46:43 PM
What? OBD3? Why would they need to transmit car's info?
They want to transmit emissions control readings. I guess it is supposed to give them real time info on wether or not to send you a ticket for emissions violations. I don't think we have to worry about it in Florida though.