We were at Eureka dam on saturday. There was a black jeep rubicon on a trailer on the east side of the parking area. Miamicrawlers clan shows up and starts tearing apart the front axle of the jeep. We come back from riding and they left all there trash strewn around the space that they were parked. Bunch of scumbags! They left a can of break cleaner, 1 half filled 90W bottle, one 90w bottle empty, lots of greasy rags, silicone sealer package, etc. you would think a group like this would respect others riding areas. I guess not. Anyways, I have pictures of this horrific event coming later this evening.
Go to their Web Page and leave a comment for them on their guestbook page. Let them know that the rest of us don't appreciate a bunch of idiot dirt bags ruining it for the rest of us.
i am hoping everyone can do that! Thanks.
I left a message on their guestbook
http://www.miamicrawlers.com/advancedguestbook/index.php
I ride there all the time and am sick of crap like that ! I got the tag of one local jerk dumping trash and it cost him $500. bucks ! If people keep that sh!t up it will end up fenced off soon. Thats the only place you can night ride left out there !
Went to there website and if you dont speak spanish dont bother. Anyone know how to say fcukin a$$hole in spanish ? ;)
I do.. its "Quad32x" HAHAHA!!!
some pics
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The guy had a new Dodge 2500 4 door 2WD silver with the crappy hemi. Pulling a black dual axle trailer with 2 fold up ramps. Had a black Rubicon on it lifted with SSR's, black steel wheels, warn manual locking hub conversion, heavy duty tie rod that was silver did not get close enough to see if it was aluminum or painted but to me it looked like 1.25" O.D. steel painted, with an OX locker in the front. They must have been working on the front diff I think. Was rolling with a guy in a jacked up 4 door orange nissan with 1 ton gear and an exo. There was a couple other guys one was a black Toy TRD, A yellow jeep not sure if it was with them but they were taking poser pics on the hills. anyway I thought they would be cool as they had nice rides but to just throw your garbage out like that was not cool. But hey there is a new sheriff in town up there and he won't forget.
send the trash to me, I want to personally deliver it to them...
What a crowd of a$$holes. Its the "Fcuk it , I dont live here " train of thought that chaps my a$$ ! Anybody ever want to have clean-up ride at the parking area there let me know. I only live 25 miles from there. b:r
Hell if you don't want to haul your trash home there is a a place to dump it on the other side of the bridge.
freakin butmunches. how lazy can you be.
Try living down in SFL, their culture has trashed everything.
Amen Aintskeered! I left my own little note in their guestbook and everyone that reads this post should do the same. Only takes a few seconds people stand up and let the voices be heard!
Someone should forward this info the the Ranger Station
Quote from: AintSkeered on July 31, 2006, 06:24:41 PM
Try living down in SFL, their culture has trashed everything.
yeah i live down here lemme tell you people have no respect for their property,why should they though they live off well fair and everyone eles is doing it,as for the riding spots its pretty much the same down here at our riding spots.
Hey wilburz , Check profiles on there website and see if you can spot the truck you saw. They even list the owners names ! >:D
Quote from: Quad32x on July 31, 2006, 08:13:28 PM
Hey wilburz , Check profiles on there website and see if you can spot the truck you saw. They even list the owners names ! >:D
I was thinking the same thing...maybe we can get a tag number from one of the pictures.
I hear all you south florida boys, I was born and raised down here as well. It ain't what it used to be, it seems like the good ol' boys are a dying breed down here. Good catch Wilburz, hopefully those turds will learn a lesson.
From down here too, born and raised. But these types of a$$holes are everywhere. They trash every thing. They have no respect, and everywhere I go I see this type of crap and it really gets too me, bcz we are losing so many place to ride and partly bcz all donkeys like this.... What ever happen to the good old days, long gone.
Left my message, everyone do the same......
I did look at there site profiles. did not see that jeep. black rubicon , 35 tsl's, big axles. "ox"wrote on each dif. cover. can't miss it. there website name across the windshield.
If I was a betting man, which I am, atleast one of those turds will show up at mudstock on aug. 10-13. Keep an eye out!
the worst part was one of those 90w cans was half full. my brother ran it over and it spit juice all over my buddy Daves front wheel. That stuff stinks real bad! >:(
Quote from: cheropride on July 31, 2006, 08:42:35 PM
From down here too, born and raised. But these types of a$$holes are everywhere. They trash every thing. They have no respect, and everywhere I go I see this type of crap and it really gets too me, bcz we are losing so many place to ride and partly bcz all donkeys like this.... What ever happen to the good old days, long gone.
agreed...they're everywhere, not just south florida...i doubt those couches and refrigerators i've seen in the forest came from sfl...that's locals
Most of these folks have a very urban mentality ,some enjoy ridin their toys but dont care for the woods or swamps they visit . I seen folks bring all types of trash to a remote area for camping , wood pallets full of nails to burn in the path you drive just to get a $200 tire full of nails .
Total scum .
Let's not forget there is trash all over that place let's all be better people and pick up what you can next time out.
i left my mwssage to them.
Looks like one of there moderators from miamicrawlers.com left a message on the guest book in response to our comments.
Here's the truck on the trailer being worked on, can't quite read the plate:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b87/platnumized02/Miami%20Crawlers/P2100076.jpg)
another...I'm sure this is the truck...what do you think wilburzbro?
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b87/platnumized02/Miami%20Crawlers/P2100074.jpg)
a truck with him
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b87/platnumized02/Miami%20Crawlers/P2100089.jpg)
There's some more pics in that album, I think the yellow jeep was there too but I'm not sure
found a lic plate #
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/vortech444/detail?.dir=/6f6dre2&.dnm=1356re2.jpg&.src=ph
I think the moderator from Miami Crawlers has a point. (As well as getting the point, due to our posts on their website)
It's probably equally wrong of us to make disparaging remarks about race, and ethnic background based on the choices of a few to dump garbage in the NATIONAL forest.
Just because a couple of people from that group acted irresponsibly, doesn't mean the entire group should be blamed for it.
As off roaders we need to stick together, support each other, as well as represent our sport and our website in a respectful and somewhat classy way.
They definitely got the point over there, and the moderator states he will speak to the group who left the trash.
As mad as it makes me that they left the trash, it doesn't give me a rigth to go off point, and bad mouth people who had nothing to do with the incident.
Maybe we should make peace, offer a truce, and think not only before we speak, but while we're speaking and after as well.
Peace out
- Uncle Rico
I agree Rico. No need to make fun of anyones race or religion etc.
But, here is a reply from there guestbook from one of the guys that was there and he seems to be saying that we set them up. They almost 99% are denying they did this. Here is his reply:
It is pretty obvious that this has become a matter of envy and racism. It is sad to realize that so many fellow off-roaders lack of good manners and education. We are a respectable and decent organization, and we will definitely not allow profanity in any of the postings.
It seems that the goal of many of you is destroying our club's reputation instead of really finding a solution to the matter.
I'm the president of the club, and I was present at that trail ride. As far as I'm concerned, no trash was left behind. I personally, among other members, always carry trash bags in my truck where we put all the trash. However, if you guys are certain that trash was left, it was definitely left unintentionally.
If the person that claimed seeing us leaving the trash were really a man, he would have told us at the moment, in person, or he would have contacted me privately regarding this matter. It seems to me that because of racism, envy or any other reason, he had the desire of creating and spreading this rumor.
We have been traveling for years to Ocala, and many other places nationwide without any problems of this type whatsoever. It really saddens me to see this kind of attitude and comments from fellow off-roaders, and even people calling themselves "friends of some of the members". It should be a shame for all of you to express yourselves in such low profile manner.
To everybody, just remember to analyze the person that the rumor started from, and then decide for yourselves...
Sincerely,
Ricardo Olavarrieta
ok, not everyone in Miami are like that! If you are going to blame someone, do it to the person that did it..........
Briceno, Juan
661 NW Second St
Miami, FL 33128-1507
(305) 324-6087
Quote from: big-daddy on August 01, 2006, 07:59:51 AM
ok, not everyone in Miami are like that! If you are going to blame someone, do it to the person that did it..........
Briceno, Juan
661 NW Second St
Miami, FL 33128-1507
(305) 324-6087
dang!!! tell em Big Daddy!
What makes me crazy is when big bad fourwheelers dudes with built up, expensive, tricked out to the max rigs, come up to a place out of their town and think they freakin own the place! They seemed to be arrogant and spoiled brats to me! you know the type. Mommas boys that never had to work for anything. I may be mistaken about this , and if I am I apologize, but there alot of punks like this. They think they own the world and thier poop don't stink. >:(
Oh that's sweet w/the guys name and all.
That needs to be posted, cause that's funny, you guys are just way too good.
I did go back and post on their guest book again, basically stating that this should not be about race. But did point out that the "pigs" that did this is riding around with the miamicrawlers logo on their truck, which in turn if I where the miamicrawlers I would find out who is the pig amoung their group.....
Quote from: wilburz on August 01, 2006, 08:24:08 AM
What makes me crazy is when big bad fourwheelers dudes with built up, expensive, tricked out to the max rigs, come up to a place out of their town and think they freakin own the place! They seemed to be arrogant and spoiled brats to me! you know the type. Mommas boys that never had to work for anything. I may be mistaken about this , and if I am I apologize, but there alot of punks like this. They think they own the world and thier poop don't stink. >:(
Sound like you're Jealous of the guy........ give him a call, maybe his looking for a B!tch?
Quote from: AintSkeered on July 31, 2006, 06:24:41 PM
Try living down in SFL, their culture has trashed everything.
i live in sfl and i love it.
not sure what culture your refering to but sfl doesnt appear to be trashed to me.
yes we do have pigs down here with lack of respect for people and property but so does everyone else.
This has been an ongoing problem we have had in Eureka up in the parking area for sometime now. I myself saw a local guy drive down the hill with about 10 white garbage bags in his truck and drive out empty. I went down and opened the bags and found an address on a letter. Long story short it cost the guy $500. bucks and a years probation ! Anytime I see someone drop trash I ask them to pick it up and remind them how we could lose our riding place out there. The same can happen for these fellows from the 4x4 club ! If it was witnessed and you want to push it just let me know and it WILL happen ! Once again if anyone would like to have a clean-up ride out there Im in ! I only live 25 miles from there and I dont think it would take more than a couple of hours. ;)
Quote from: Quad32x on August 01, 2006, 09:29:31 AM
This has been an ongoing problem we have had in Eureka up in the parking area for sometime now. I myself saw a local guy drive down the hill with about 10 white garbage bags in his truck and drive out empty. I went down and opened the bags and found an address on a letter. Long story short it cost the guy $500. bucks and a years probation ! Anytime I see someone drop trash I ask them to pick it up and remind them how we could louse our riding place out there. The same can happen for these fellows from the 4x4 club ! If it was witnessed and you want to push it just let me know and it WILL happen ! Once again if anyone would like to have a clean-up ride out there Im in ! I only live 25 miles from there and I dont think it would take more than a couple of hours. ;)
You buying?
Quote from: Quad32x on August 01, 2006, 09:29:31 AM
This has been an ongoing problem we have had in Eureka up in the parking area for sometime now. I myself saw a local guy drive down the hill with about 10 white garbage bags in his truck and drive out empty. I went down and opened the bags and found an address on a letter. Long story short it cost the guy $500. bucks and a years probation ! Anytime I see someone drop trash I ask them to pick it up and remind them how we could louse our riding place out there. The same can happen for these fellows from the 4x4 club ! If it was witnessed and you want to push it just let me know and it WILL happen ! Once again if anyone would like to have a clean-up ride out there Im in ! I only live 25 miles from there and I dont think it would take more than a couple of hours. ;)
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Quote from: Quad32x on August 01, 2006, 09:29:31 AM
Once again if anyone would like to have a clean-up ride out there Im in ! I only live 25 miles from there and I dont think it would take more than a couple of hours. ;)
If someone sets a date, I'll do my best to make it...I haven't been on a cleanup ride yet and it's about time I did
Quote from: Joedirt on August 01, 2006, 09:34:34 AM
Quote from: Quad32x on August 01, 2006, 09:29:31 AM
This has been an ongoing problem we have had in Eureka up in the parking area for sometime now. I myself saw a local guy drive down the hill with about 10 white garbage bags in his truck and drive out empty. I went down and opened the bags and found an address on a letter. Long story short it cost the guy $500. bucks and a years probation ! Anytime I see someone drop trash I ask them to pick it up and remind them how we could louse our riding place out there. The same can happen for these fellows from the 4x4 club ! If it was witnessed and you want to push it just let me know and it WILL happen ! Once again if anyone would like to have a clean-up ride out there Im in ! I only live 25 miles from there and I dont think it would take more than a couple of hours. ;)
You buying?
For you JoeDirt , sure. What brand ? ;)
Quote from: Quad32x on August 01, 2006, 10:30:39 AM
Quote from: Joedirt on August 01, 2006, 09:34:34 AM
Quote from: Quad32x on August 01, 2006, 09:29:31 AM
This has been an ongoing problem we have had in Eureka up in the parking area for sometime now. I myself saw a local guy drive down the hill with about 10 white garbage bags in his truck and drive out empty. I went down and opened the bags and found an address on a letter. Long story short it cost the guy $500. bucks and a years probation ! Anytime I see someone drop trash I ask them to pick it up and remind them how we could louse our riding place out there. The same can happen for these fellows from the 4x4 club ! If it was witnessed and you want to push it just let me know and it WILL happen ! Once again if anyone would like to have a clean-up ride out there Im in ! I only live 25 miles from there and I dont think it would take more than a couple of hours. ;)
You buying?
For you JoeDirt , sure. What brand ? ;)
I am kidding...*coughbudlitecough*...I would help regardless
Quote from: Quad32x on August 01, 2006, 09:29:31 AM
This has been an ongoing problem we have had in Eureka up in the parking area for sometime now. I myself saw a local guy drive down the hill with about 10 white garbage bags in his truck and drive out empty. I went down and opened the bags and found an address on a letter. Long story short it cost the guy $500. bucks and a years probation ! Anytime I see someone drop trash I ask them to pick it up and remind them how we could lose our riding place out there. The same can happen for these fellows from the 4x4 club ! If it was witnessed and you want to push it just let me know and it WILL happen ! Once again if anyone would like to have a clean-up ride out there Im in ! I only live 25 miles from there and I dont think it would take more than a couple of hours. ;)
So that was your azz sticking up out of that dumpster the other day huh??? J/K
We will help in any way possible, I even know a guy with a roll-off service to put it in, we just need to all chip in to pay for the dump !!! ;)
On tuesdays,thursdays, and saturdays, there is a dumpster available in the area. It is about 7 miles north of the eureka dam road off the same road. It is for the residents that live down there but I would think they would take it.
Or we could just dump it in front of the facility. ;D
Dyno , find out how much. I`m willing to pitch in ! Like I said its the ONLY place you can ride at night anymore and thats worth it right there ! ;) :Clap.gif
I know some of these guys, and they are a great group... I know they dont go somewhere to leave trash, if it was left i am sure it was an accident. I 'm sure they have picked up other peoples trash and dont go online and try to badmouth them and discriminate...
so everyone pull your panties out of your azzes....
Quote from: Greenlantern on August 01, 2006, 01:28:50 PM
I know some of these guys, and they are a great group... I know they dont go somewhere to leave trash, if it was left i am sure it was an accident. I 'm sure they have picked up other peoples trash and dont go online and try to badmouth them and discriminate...
so everyone pull your panties out of your azzes....
First of all weather or not you know these guys has nothing to do with the situation at hand. It is people like that, that eventually get us kicked out of places to ride. Leaving a bag of garbage is one thing, but leaving trash all over the ground & in the trees that is also a harm to the environment is another thing. I am not only a ATV'er but I am also an active member of local conservation groups in my area who have done numerous cleanups in JW Corbett & in Holeylands and I can't tell you how SICK & TIRED of cleaning up after everyone else I truly am, espically other ATV'ers that should be very aware of the fact that there aren't very many places left to ride.
HAVE A LITTLE Freakin RESPECT !
btw.... You can pass that message on to the Miami Crawlers that you supposedly know !
Quote from: Greenlantern on August 01, 2006, 01:28:50 PM
I know some of these guys, and they are a great group... I know they dont go somewhere to leave trash, if it was left i am sure it was an accident. I 'm sure they have picked up other peoples trash and dont go online and try to badmouth them and discriminate...
so everyone pull your panties out of your azzes....
Leaving a few pooptickets on the ground is an accident. I ranger would not give you a ticket for leaving a few paper napkins on the ground. But leaving this biohazardous mess surely would levy a nice fine. These guys are adults and if it was an accident it still was inexcusable. There were like 10 of them there with 4 or 5 different vehicles. The garbage was thrown off the trailer onto the ground. What would the "red alert" needed to pick up this mess? Maybe next time their group leader should make them rope the garbage around there necks so as not to forget it. That is how you train a dog and it works! Some poor defenseless cub bear probably came by with his mom and started drinking that 90w. Either way there is no excuse for such blatant littering! Don't try to make up excuses for your friends.
this is my 2 nd and last post on this topic...
you all are bringing more attention to this then needed...
take care,
GL
Agreed, this assumption that this was some type of accident is bs. And it is also not say that all of them are that way. They just needed to be made aware of the situation, it would be same thing if one of use went somewhere with "atvflorida.com" pasted to our trucks and then trashed the place, don't think for a minute it would be any different. The only difference for the fact, we would not defend the jacka$$, we take 'em out to the woods w/his truck and make him load all his crap up. More than likely be banned from this site. When you ride around w/ a logo such as this, then it does reflect the group as a whole. And yes it is sad. But their response should of been that they were sorry and that they would find out who did it. Not say it was a race thing or a set up or an accident... that's b/s. They should be trying to do what we are, schedule a clean-up or something.
Just as Ford4X4 pointed out, it actually gives us all a bad name and the most atver's are just sick and tired of such disrespect!!!!
Quote from: Greenlantern on August 01, 2006, 02:22:47 PM
this is my 2 nd and last post on this topic...
you all are bringing more attention to this then needed...
Hate to disagree, but places being trashed all over the place. Not just saying this is the only incident, know it is everywhere and it has to STOP. More attention s/b made evidently that you DO NOT TRASH THE PLACES that you RIDE!!! Furthermore, it seems to me at a time when we are losing more and more places to ride, the more and more places are to be trashed. Especially w/enviromental hazards, yea thats all we need, give them more reason to keep us out.
Quote from: Greenlantern on August 01, 2006, 02:22:47 PM
this is my 2 nd and last post on this topic...
you all are bringing more attention to this then needed...
take care,
GL
I happen to have free time during the day. Nothing wrong about talking about this on this site.
Its not like we alerted the frickin FBI or EPA dude!
Don't stick up for your fellow litterers and you won't prolong the attention then! Nuff said.
Quote from: Greenlantern on August 01, 2006, 02:22:47 PM
this is my 2 nd and last post on this topic...
you all are bringing more attention to this then needed...
take care,
GL
More attention than needed?????
Have you actually given up a full weekend of YOUR personal TIME to clean up after people who litter in WMA's or clean up litter off the side of the road ??? The answer to that would be probably not.... I, along with many others, am sick of cleaning up after ADULTS that think it's ok to litter where ever they please. If things like this keep happening you can bet your a$$ that there won't be anywhere to ride... FWC is sick of seeing the trash in their WMA's, FSCA & ERDHA clean it up as a courtesy to them, NOT to do it for all the LAZYA$$ES out there... Act like an adult & clean up after yourself....
DON'T TRASH THE PLACES WE RIDE !
Other ATV'ers are complaining that there is no where to ride.... I can guarentee that one of the reasons we have so few places to ride is because of A$$HOLES that don't want to pick up after themselves.... Your mother doesn't ride with you to clean up after you, DO IT YOURSELF !
I always pick up after myself and I condemn anyone who doesn't or thinks they shouldn't have to. However, it is good to see some of the responses on this post. I know exactly who never to have a conversation with, about anything. You all better know how to differentiate between races and color, real soon or I can guarantee that you will have a big surprise one day (you know who you are).
Quote from: Eworm on August 01, 2006, 06:46:53 PM
I always pick up after myself and I condone anyone who doesn't or thinks they shouldn't have to. However, it is good to see some of the responses on this post. I know exactly who never to have a conversation with, about anything. You all better know how to differentiate between races and color, real soon or I can guarantee that you will have a big surprise one day (you know who you are).
BOY DONT MAKE ME GET THE HORSERADISH!!!! ;D ;D
The majority of the people I have met on here and rode with arent that ignorant.
Quote from: bigscrub79 on August 01, 2006, 06:58:22 PM
Quote from: Eworm on August 01, 2006, 06:46:53 PM
I always pick up after myself and I condone anyone who doesn't or thinks they shouldn't have to. However, it is good to see some of the responses on this post. I know exactly who never to have a conversation with, about anything. You all better know how to differentiate between races and color, real soon or I can guarantee that you will have a big surprise one day (you know who you are).
BOY DONT MAKE ME GET THE HORSERADISH!!!! ;D ;D
The majority of the people I have met on here and rode with arent that ignorant.
Yeah you are probably right but I still feel the same. Did you hear the good news BTW?
Quote from: Greenlantern on August 01, 2006, 02:22:47 PM
this is my 2 nd and last post on this topic...
you all are bringing more attention to this then needed...
take care,
GL
more attention than needed? hows about I make it a sticky post,,,,,that still might not be enough attention in my book.
I don't care if it's one of my neighbors, or someone from Colorado,,,,they should clean up after themselves and if someone from this site who has no reason to lie about this witnessed this and got pictures,,,,,,why doubt them?
There's no discrimination going on here,,,,we all enjoy the outdoors and challenging ourselves in off-road vehicles to take in the forest,,,,,,just some of our extended community acted like brats and were called on it,,,,,let's see if they respond themselves.
Id@
Quote from: Ida_Mann on August 01, 2006, 07:29:31 PM
Quote from: Greenlantern on August 01, 2006, 02:22:47 PM
this is my 2 nd and last post on this topic...
you all are bringing more attention to this then needed...
take care,
GL
more attention than needed? hows about I make it a sticky post,,,,,that still might not be enough attention in my book.
I don't care if it's one of my neighbors, or someone from Colorado,,,,they should clean up after themselves and if someone from this site who has no reason to lie about this witnessed this and got pictures,,,,,,why doubt them?
There's no discrimination going on here,,,,we all enjoy the outdoors and challenging ourselves in off-road vehicles to take in the forest,,,,,,just some of our extended community acted like brats and were called on it,,,,,let's see if they respond themselves.
Id@
Yeah agreed. I just wonder what some mean when they "they or their". Who are they reffering to? Guess it does not matter, there will always be differences in opinions in this world.
Quote from: Eworm on August 01, 2006, 06:46:53 PM
I always pick up after myself and I condone anyone who doesn't or thinks they shouldn't have to. However, it is good to see some of the responses on this post. I know exactly who never to have a conversation with, about anything. You all better know how to differentiate between races and color, real soon or I can guarantee that you will have a big surprise one day (you know who you are).
Did you mean condone or do you mean condemn?
Quote from: CABLEGUY1 on August 01, 2006, 07:59:58 PM
Quote from: Eworm on August 01, 2006, 06:46:53 PM
I always pick up after myself and I condone anyone who doesn't or thinks they shouldn't have to. However, it is good to see some of the responses on this post. I know exactly who never to have a conversation with, about anything. You all better know how to differentiate between races and color, real soon or I can guarantee that you will have a big surprise one day (you know who you are).
Did you mean condone or do you mean condemn?
That's what I meant. Thanks for clarifying. Sometimes I think I am better off without spell checker........
SFL has an enormous mulitcultural population of many races. I could give a rat's arse what race these pigs are. It ain't about race, it's about culture or lack thereof. If you live down here and ride in all of the legal and illegal riding spots, it's clear that far more trash is illegally-dumped down here than in ONF. The West Miami riding areas, Miami area beaches and Biscayne Bay islands are the best examples of this illegal dumping. And, these same slobs don't limit their careless dumping to our beaches and riding areas. I work in a hospital where trash is dumped right next to the trash cans because these pigs are too lazy to step on the pedal to lift the lid(so they can throw the trash INTO the cans). No exaggeration, it occurs every day.
cant we all just get along!!!!????? I was the guy who got that 90W shot all over my bike. I washed it off 2 times and still stinks . Who ever thinks this littering was a accident YOUR CRAZY!!!!!! I dont sh!t on your front porch!!!! Dont sh!t on mine!!!!!!! :( :( :( :( :( :( enough said????? Everybody at miamicrawlers its not a personal attack i hope you would do the same if you see any group of people doing the same! Especially are group here. Iam all about a clean up ride. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
Wow!!! I have read every post on this topic and I'm amazed at how this issue has been blown out of proportion and nothing has been done to solve the real problem. It appears to me that your intentions were to teach the club a lesson. If this is the case then an e-mail should have been written to the club with the pictures attached. This would have allowed the club to deal with the issue privately and fix the problem. By publicly humiliating the group and making racist comments you already put them in a position to defend themselves and not solve the problem. Also by making these rude and childish comments you humiliate the entire off road community, atvr's and trucks alike. As participants in the off road community we should stick together and not make stupid comments about each others life styles. I live in south florida and its beautiful down here, not trashed like someone mentioned earlier. It seems like most of the comments made on this page were made by people who are very narrow minded, and not looking at the big picture. Ocala is not just one big beautiful National Forest, it has its slums and nice areas just like every other city in the world. As far as quality of people, low lives can be found anywhere, not just South Florida. In the end this whole issue was about some trash left behind in a parking area of a park, doesn't this seem a bit much. I think it should have been picked up by whoever took the pictures, like I'm sure the MiamiCrawlers would have done for the next guy. If you want to check the quality of people that are members of the group then invite them to the trail clean up that is being scheduled. If they really are the scum bags you guys make them out to be they won't show, but if they do then you will know who the scum bags are!!!
You're right pepito. Probably should have been handled differently. Maybe members of both sites can get together for a group trail/clean up ride.
Look Pepito, If you think this issue got blown out of proportion then you need to look in your own backyard. The main issue is the throwing out of petroleum based products in the forest that DO NOT desolve naturally. The people that did this or were with them and let it happen are the real scumbags. The other thing that really pi$$ed everyone over here off is the downplaying or denying of the act. For the moderator of that site to actually suggest that it may have not been done by one of their members is an insult to everyones intelligance. One of their members admits to working on his differential in the exact spot where empty bottles of "GEAR OIL" not motor oil were left along with greasy rags. You have a better chance of winning the lottery then there is of this being a coincidence. Then to top it off they question the manhood of our member for not approaching the idiots that left the trash. I question the manhood of all the members of that site that were with the guy that left the trash! Why didn't one of them step up and tell the rest of the idiots to pick up the trash? I wont label the entire association as scumbags but this incident sure puts a black eye on it. Stop denying it happened and acting like it was no big deal and man up,apologize and move on. By not doing so it only makes it look like it's a classless organization.Oh yeah,and stop using the race card to hide behind this lowlife act. We have many members here that are from latin decent and most are from Miami,Hialeah,Homested and their some of the best most genuine people you'll ever meet . We welcome them with open arms and enjoy riding with them so don't turn this into a prejudice thing. For the founder or Moderator of that site to even suggest that it didn't happen or even that it was no big deal is a slap in the face. He should have apologized for his members actions and assured everyone that he would take the appropriate measures to help insure that this would not happen again. What he did instead was to try and defend the parties responsible which in my book makes him look like an a$$. MIAMICRAWLERS " own up to the mistake and take responsibility for your actions in order to give your club some credibility or suffer the negative publicity and confirm what people assume about your organization".
Bottom Line: Who cares if they're Cuban, Black, White, Puerto Rican, Italian, etc. A group of people was witnessed dumping trash and oil on the ground. It's a fact, not a debate. People saw it happen and took pictures of it. The solution is simple: Bring your a$$es back up here and clean it up.
Oh, and for once, can we leave the race card out of a discussion? Everbody knows the image that the word "Miami" brings to peoples minds. It's not their large Irish or Dutch population I can assure you. Just like the thoughts people have when "Harlem" is mentioned. If some people on here have views that are a little more "askew" than others, who really cares?
Ok, Us Cubans in Miami dont appreciate the racist remarks. Also you must be one dumb cross breed hillbilly from the north, if you didn't read that he apologized for the trash and that he also lives in Ocala (not Miami) Yes it was wrong to trash the place, but the racist remarks are just as bad. So stop crying like little b!tches and move on.
Quote from: pepito on August 01, 2006, 09:00:48 PM
Wow!!! I have read every post on this topic and I'm amazed at how this issue has been blown out of proportion and nothing has been done to solve the real problem.
Blow out of proportion ? WAKE UP & SMELL THE TRASH ! ! ! Have you been paying attention lately ? Did you not see the Sun Sentinel's article on ATV'ers & the lack of riding space due to careless activites ? ? ? Or maybe you have no reason to be here .... Some people care about the environment.... I personally would like to be able to take my children out to Holeylands & Eureka Dam one day... If sh!t like this keeps happening, I doubt I'll be able to do that .....
Quote from: big-daddy on August 01, 2006, 11:08:40 PM
Ok, Us Cubans in Miami do appreciate the racist remarks. Also you must be one dumb cross breed hillbilly from the north, if you didn't read that he apologized for the trash and that he also lives in Ocala (not Miami) Yes it was wrong to trash the place, but the racist remarks are just as bad. So stop crying like little b!tches and move on.
Exactly!! Don't know why people are confused or feel this is two separate issues. There is ONE ISSUE HERE!!! The racist's comments!!! That's it. Nothing is being blown out of proportion!!!!
I had to read their guest book again to see where these "racist remarks" were made, okay I said "hola coma esta" which mean "hello are you" - ????? And there was another comment about Miami - which to me is not racist, hell I was born in raised in Miami - do I feel insulted - no.
If you read the quest book, it clear that they started to defend themselves that we were pointing them out due to race.
Therefore THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO ABOUT RACE!!!!!! And you know what, we know that, if they want to hang on to that race card, then so be it.
THIS HAS TO DO WITH TRASHING PLACES!!!
The guy who was there did apologize on their guest book, but insist it was an accident and that he did clean up. I wish there was someway we could post those pic's (on their guest book) cause anyone can see that it was not accident, but I don't expect anyone to really own up to the fact that they did that on purpose.
As for us going on their guest book and signing, was it wrong, NO. Why it called him out to own up for what he did.
It is easy for some to say lets move on, and not a big deal, but as for the person who got his bike trashed by their oil, it ain't so easy to move on. And for us who can't stand to see our places trashed, and this is really bad, can't move on when you read these post and see people say, "Come on you are make this a bigger deal than it is" That really pisses us off.
And stop with the race thing that is just friggin stupid and I think everyone is sick of the race card!!! Of for those out there who think when we type (them/they) we are implying race - give me a break. You are the one making it a race issue, so you have been called out on this too.
IT IS ABOUT TRASH - ITS ABOUT HURTING OUR CAUSE TO RIDE - ITS ABOUT DISRESPECT FOR THE AREA THAT YOU RIDE - THAT'S ALL IS ABOUT - so get over the RACE issue.
what he said :)
Quote from: Eworm on August 02, 2006, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: big-daddy on August 01, 2006, 11:08:40 PM
Ok, Us Cubans in Miami do appreciate the racist remarks. Also you must be one dumb cross breed hillbilly from the north, if you didn't read that he apologized for the trash and that he also lives in Ocala (not Miami) Yes it was wrong to trash the place, but the racist remarks are just as bad. So stop crying like little b!tches and move on.
Exactly!! Don't know why people are confused or feel this is two separate issues. There is ONE ISSUE HERE!!! The racist's comments!!! That's it. Nothing is being blown out of proportion!!!!
Wait a second....
How did this become an issue about race when this is an issue about Non-Biodegrateable waste...
I will try to ride by there today and see how it looks out there. I`ll take my camara too. ;)
Quote from: FORD4X4GIRL on August 02, 2006, 11:15:56 AM
Quote from: Eworm on August 02, 2006, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: big-daddy on August 01, 2006, 11:08:40 PM
Ok, Us Cubans in Miami do appreciate the racist remarks. Also you must be one dumb cross breed hillbilly from the north, if you didn’t read that he apologized for the trash and that he also lives in Ocala (not Miami) Yes it was wrong to trash the place, but the racist remarks are just as bad. So stop crying like little b!tches and move on.
Exactly!! Don't know why people are confused or feel this is two separate issues. There is ONE ISSUE HERE!!! The racist’s comments!!! That's it. Nothing is being blown out of proportion!!!!
Wait a second....
How did this become an issue about race when this is an issue about Non-Biodegrateable waste...
.
Girl you need to read the whole thing! Starting with Quads (crossbreed hillbilly) and his g@y lover dynodon
Quads comments: Went to there website and if you don't speak Spanish don't bother. Anyone know how to say fcukin a$$hole in Spanish ?
Dynodon comments: How about, GREENCARD ?!?!
They will be running for the hills then
AintSkeered comments: Try living down in SFL, their culture has trashed everything.
Fact 1: He was wrong in trashing the place
Fact 2: He doesnt live in Miami, he lives in ocala
Fact 3: he is not Cuban, he was born up north (dang yankee).
Fact 4: Racist remarks and name calling came from members of this site.
do we hang Mr bones or bash Atvflorida for that? No, so why did we do it to them?
Ps: wilburz you should of handle it differently.....like pick up the trash and mailed it to them with pictures and a letter explaining how you feel.
It is pretty obvious that the responses I have seen are coming from either kids that don't truely see something in such plain site, because of their age or adults who are indeed, bigots. And again, this is the internet so I am not suprised in the least bit.
Time for a cerveza!!!
Why don't you just say "Time for a beer", you Racist. ;D
I do appologize I didn't realize that those remarks were made .... ::)
There, I deleted my earlier post!! It was meant as a joke, with no punn intended. But I can clearly see that it was not taken that way. I am NOT racist in anyway.
Anyone who actually knows me will say the same, I am someone who likes to joke and have a laugh.
Bottom line is everyone CLEAN up your trash >:(
Quad, I beleive that if the can is full the fee is 55.00 to dump it.
Quote from: fastrnrik on August 02, 2006, 07:26:07 PM
Why don't you just say "Time for a beer", you Racist. ;D
yeah, you are right.... Time for another bier and then I will have a 啤酒
Quote from: Eworm on August 02, 2006, 07:55:13 PM
Quote from: fastrnrik on August 02, 2006, 07:26:07 PM
Why don't you just say "Time for a beer", you Racist. ;D
yeah, you are right.... Time for another bier and then I will have a 啤酒
empanada??? plantain????? or a horsey bite??? ;)
Hell, I'll have some fried plantains... if they're being offered :E
Quote from: fastrnrik on August 02, 2006, 08:02:31 PM
Hell, I'll have some fried plantains... if they're being offered :E
You want some of Eworms grilled sausage, that stuff would make you slap your mamma.
Yeah right Josh, horsey bite! Man I still feel my eyes and nose burning. But I also laugh my azz off watching eworm turned red in color on the first bite. Good times ;D
Hey Don just joking about the g@y lover bit, but Quad is still a crossbreed hillbilly with a mullet.
Quote from: FORD4X4GIRL on August 02, 2006, 07:39:59 PM
I do appologize I didn't realize that those remarks were made .... ::)
No need to appologize......... Say hello to TRX for me!
Ya'll leave Quad alone. He can't help that his gene pool has no deep end.
Kidding. Quad, you're the man, even if everyone else just don't see it.
Quote from: fastrnrik on August 02, 2006, 09:40:47 PM
Ya'll leave Quad alone. He can't help that his gene pool has no deep end.
Kidding. Quad, you're the man, even if everyone else just don't see it.
Are you sure he a man?
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Sorry......... Quad could help my self ;)
Wow. I had no idea my new friend looked so cute in his little "Daisy Dukes". Flaunt that s@*t Quad. Is that the shorts you're gonna ride the 'Zilla in? If so, you'd better tape 'dem nuts up to keep 'em out of the chain.
Quote from: big-daddy on August 02, 2006, 06:40:17 PM
Quote from: FORD4X4GIRL on August 02, 2006, 11:15:56 AM
Quote from: Eworm on August 02, 2006, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: big-daddy on August 01, 2006, 11:08:40 PM
Ok, Us Cubans in Miami do appreciate the racist remarks. Also you must be one dumb cross breed hillbilly from the north, if you didn't read that he apologized for the trash and that he also lives in Ocala (not Miami) Yes it was wrong to trash the place, but the racist remarks are just as bad. So stop crying like little b!tches and move on.
Exactly!! Don't know why people are confused or feel this is two separate issues. There is ONE ISSUE HERE!!! The racist's comments!!! That's it. Nothing is being blown out of proportion!!!!
Wait a second....
How did this become an issue about race when this is an issue about Non-Biodegrateable waste...
.
Girl you need to read the whole thing! Starting with Quads (crossbreed hillbilly) and his g@y lover dynodon
Quads comments: Went to there website and if you don't speak Spanish don't bother. Anyone know how to say fcukin a$$hole in Spanish ?
Dynodon comments: How about, GREENCARD ?!?!
They will be running for the hills then
AintSkeered comments: Try living down in SFL, their culture has trashed everything.
Fact 1: He was wrong in trashing the place
Fact 2: He doesnt live in Miami, he lives in ocala
Fact 3: he is not Cuban, he was born up north (dang yankee).
Fact 4: Racist remarks and name calling came from members of this site.
do we hang Mr bones or bash Atvflorida for that? No, so why did we do it to them?
Ps: wilburz you should of handle it differently.....like pick up the trash and mailed it to them with pictures and a letter explaining how you feel.
Yah and I could mail them some flowers too. You were not there. I posted the pics so everyone could see what dirtbags they were. There are no excuses for them. As for the other stuff, I did not print it so it has nothing to do with me. And another piece of usefull info for you, we were riding our atvs when this went down. I don't usually carry 2 doulble ply garbage bags so I can pick up 15 oz. of 90w oil while riding my atv. If I would have done what you say, it would have been more of a waste of my time than your last post. If would not have any effect on them leaving trash again. Atleast this time I think they got the message. Maybe not in the nicest way or most cordial but the message was sent. I don't like litterers! They got what they deserved. Why don't you go down to there next meeting and deliver them a cake for their outstanding community representation.
Quote from: big-daddy on August 02, 2006, 09:39:26 PM
Quote from: FORD4X4GIRL on August 02, 2006, 07:39:59 PM
I do appologize I didn't realize that those remarks were made .... ::)
No need to appologize......... Say hello to TRX for me!
No problem.... We were just talking about you last night, he was like damn .... I haven't talked to them in forever ! It's funny people still remember who he is since he isn't around here any more ...
Don if we can set up a clean up ride with people that will help that would be great. Anybody want to set a date ? As for big-daddy , pay him no mind. Hes old and somewhat retarded. And yes fastrnrik , I will be riding in those shorts. I just stuff my onions in a zip-lock to keep the sand off them. ;)
Sounds good. Did you want to include the crawlers? Wonder what there schedule is? Might be a month before I am back up there. my brother and boys will be up there next weekend I think. I am sure he would be willing to help out.
my opinion is we invite the crawlers...put this behind us, make some new friends, and make another step in the direction of uniting all off-roaders. I would just put up a new topic "Eureka Clean Up Ride", and see how people respond...once we get some responses we can think about a date....makes sense to me anyway.
Great Idea! ;D
hopefully it will be in the cooler time of the year 8)
Quote from: backinsaddle on August 03, 2006, 10:54:58 AM
my opinion is we invite the crawlers...put this behind us, make some new friends, and make another step in the direction of uniting all off-roaders. I would just put up a new topic "Eureka Clean Up Ride", and see how people respond...once we get some responses we can think about a date....makes sense to me anyway.
I totally agree....
One Idea is that since the miami crawlers are obviously from down south.... Maybe we could set up a clean up in the Holeylands after 9 days ( Hog hunting season ) is over
As I was on this ride with the wilburz as well, I'll create a cleanup ride topic.
Mark
cleanup ride thread:
http://www.atvflorida.com/forum/index.php/topic,16502.0.html
Quote from: Quad32x on August 03, 2006, 10:15:47 AM
Don if we can set up a clean up ride with people that will help that would be great. Anybody want to set a date ? As for big-daddy , pay him no mind. Hes old and somewhat retarded. And yes fastrnrik , I will be riding in those shorts. I just stuff my onions in a zip-lock to keep the sand off them. ;)
Quad, dont make me drive up there and smack you around boy! ;)
Fasrnik, his x-wife took those onions away long time ago. :o
Quote from: big-daddy on August 02, 2006, 09:36:05 PM
Yeah right Josh, horsey bite! Man I still feel my eyes and nose burning. But I also laugh my azz off watching eworm turned red in color on the first bite. Good times ;D
Hey Don just joking about the g@y lover bit, but Quad is still a crossbreed hillbilly with a mullet.
It had been years since I laughed, so hard, for such an extended period of time......
Quote from: big-daddy on August 02, 2006, 09:45:02 PM
Quote from: fastrnrik on August 02, 2006, 09:40:47 PM
Ya'll leave Quad alone. He can't help that his gene pool has no deep end.
Kidding. Quad, you're the man, even if everyone else just don't see it.
Are you sure he a man?
This is just wrong....
At least we all know now how Quad got his 32x size waistline :R <the BIG squeeze>
(OH, and those scum dumping waste bags, oil slickers, refuse stinking trashers --> die >:D I saw your trash in person, don't say you didn't leave it.)
forget spanish,,,,how do you say "move the fudge over" in Bostonian to someone driving slow in the left lane?
Id@
move ya cah!!!!
I agree with all these comment and i will leave a comment on there website but the comment from AINTSKEERED was un called for ( should have seen what there culture did to SFL) what the hell is that suppose to mean, what about all the other trash in the area, i guarantee it wasnt my culture who made that mess, probably some good ole local boys i bet. Look i've ridden Eureka a few times and i agree that people will ruin for us if they keep on trashin the place, but chill out when you blame it on peoples culture's, when you blame it on somebody's culture because they trashed the place, that makes you a bigger SCUMBAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
YOU F'in moron wetbacks. DO this in my backyard and i'll shoot your ass. Its people like you that polute this country. What do you expect, there from miami.
this is a post that was left on the guestbook page on miamicrawlers.com, there name was Greenpeace, i dont know who you are but you are a real @$$hole!!! First of all you make everybody from this website look bad with comments like that. Im a fellow Cuban, born and raised in Miami, i ride regularly in Ocala, and Croom and all over the state for that matter and i always pick up my trash, as do all the riders i ride with, and to leave a comment about somebody's race because they left trash behind, that makes you a real scumbag!! Tell me where you live and i wont just leave trash in your yard, ILL TAKE A DUMP IN YOUR DRIVEWAY!!!!!!! Hope to see you at a group ride, you piece of _hit!!!!
Totally not cool.
What's the point in expressing your point if you're going to threaten to shoot someone (which your not) and resorting to innacurate generalizations about race.
It completely strays from the topic, and makes your point invalid.
Stay on point.
Oh and as for where he lives, if you're gonna take a dump on his driveway, I'll get you his address (thumbing through address book and looking for my brother in law's address)
Peace out
Uncle Rico
Quote from: Jellie400 on August 07, 2006, 01:01:35 AM
YOU F'in moron wetbacks. DO this in my backyard and i'll shoot your ass. Its people like you that polute this country. What do you expect, there from miami.
this is a post that was left on the guestbook page on miamicrawlers.com, there name was Greenpeace, i dont know who you are but you are a real @$$hole!!! First of all you make everybody from this website look bad with comments like that. Im a fellow Cuban, born and raised in Miami, i ride regularly in Ocala, and Croom and all over the state for that matter and i always pick up my trash, as do all the riders i ride with, and to leave a comment about somebody's race because they left trash behind, that makes you a real scumbag!! Tell me where you live and i wont just leave trash in your yard, ILL TAKE A DUMP IN YOUR DRIVEWAY!!!!!!! Hope to see you at a group ride, you piece of _hit!!!!
Jellie 400,You're Cuban? I'm never riding with you again. Oh yeah,and you cant be in my brothers wedding either. I thought you resembled Castro a little. And dont dump in my driveway either because black beans and rice wont come out. PS. You missed a good party Saturday. We learned how to play beer pong. The hard way.
I think the black beans will come out with a pressure washer and some greased Lightning...LOL
Quote from: Jellie400 on August 07, 2006, 01:01:35 AM
YOU F'in moron wetbacks. DO this in my backyard and i'll shoot your ass. Its people like you that polute this country. What do you expect, there from miami.
this is a post that was left on the guestbook page on miamicrawlers.com, there name was Greenpeace, i dont know who you are but you are a real @$$hole!!! First of all you make everybody from this website look bad with comments like that. Im a fellow Cuban, born and raised in Miami, i ride regularly in Ocala, and Croom and all over the state for that matter and i always pick up my trash, as do all the riders i ride with, and to leave a comment about somebody's race because they left trash behind, that makes you a real scumbag!! Tell me where you live and i wont just leave trash in your yard, ILL TAKE A DUMP IN YOUR DRIVEWAY!!!!!!! Hope to see you at a group ride, you piece of _hit!!!!
your bein just as stupid w/ ur dumb threats i was not the one who wrote that racist crap my moms from south america so to whoever did write that ya better not do it again cuz ya obviously aint payin attention when you ride ive seen white black n every color in between trashin areas i ride at
Quote from: muddy buddy on August 07, 2006, 02:05:35 PM
Quote from: Jellie400 on August 07, 2006, 01:01:35 AM
YOU F'in moron wetbacks. DO this in my backyard and i'll shoot your ass. Its people like you that polute this country. What do you expect, there from miami.
this is a post that was left on the guestbook page on miamicrawlers.com, there name was Greenpeace, i dont know who you are but you are a real @$$hole!!! First of all you make everybody from this website look bad with comments like that. Im a fellow Cuban, born and raised in Miami, i ride regularly in Ocala, and Croom and all over the state for that matter and i always pick up my trash, as do all the riders i ride with, and to leave a comment about somebody's race because they left trash behind, that makes you a real scumbag!! Tell me where you live and i wont just leave trash in your yard, ILL TAKE A DUMP IN YOUR DRIVEWAY!!!!!!! Hope to see you at a group ride, you piece of _hit!!!!
your bein just as stupid w/ ur dumb threats i was not the one who wrote that racist crap my moms from south america so to whoever did write that ya better not do it again cuz ya obviously aint payin attention when you ride ive seen white black n every color in between trashin areas i ride at
MOMS? how many do you have? ;)
su :lecture.gifrry 4 usin inkurrect anglish [my mom is] iz thatt beter :D
yeah thanks! ;D
no problem
Can't we all just get along.....? :box.gif :dunno.gif :no
no n why dont you mind your own business :D
or we could always fight over it cuz my atv is better than yurs :D
i just didnt apreciate the "wetback" comment that was my problem, it had nothing to do with the topic!! Yeah Keith, i wish i could of made the party, but my softball tournament was'nt over till 5, and it would have been to late to drive up there, but i will see you at the wedding. Bye the way, what day are you coming down here that weekend, we should take Brad out to go see "tackle box"!!!!
Everyone shut the hell up and go pay $3.00+ a gallon to fill up your precious jeep/truck/quad/vibrator(Quad32x) ;) -Mark
Quote from: muddy buddy on August 07, 2006, 02:05:35 PM
Quote from: Jellie400 on August 07, 2006, 01:01:35 AM
YOU F'in moron wetbacks. DO this in my backyard and i'll shoot your ass. Its people like you that polute this country. What do you expect, there from miami.
this is a post that was left on the guestbook page on miamicrawlers.com, there name was Greenpeace, i dont know who you are but you are a real @$$hole!!! First of all you make everybody from this website look bad with comments like that. Im a fellow Cuban, born and raised in Miami, i ride regularly in Ocala, and Croom and all over the state for that matter and i always pick up my trash, as do all the riders i ride with, and to leave a comment about somebody's race because they left trash behind, that makes you a real scumbag!! Tell me where you live and i wont just leave trash in your yard, ILL TAKE A DUMP IN YOUR DRIVEWAY!!!!!!! Hope to see you at a group ride, you piece of _hit!!!!
your bein just as stupid w/ ur dumb threats i was not the one who wrote that racist crap my moms from south america so to whoever did write that ya better not do it again cuz ya obviously aint payin attention when you ride ive seen white black n every color in between trashin areas i ride at
I didn't realize that this site was populated with racist @ssholes ! You all need to grow up... The last time I checked we were all to ACT AS ADULTS .... not children....
I hate everyone the same.