Chevy vs. Ford

[Old_School]

Yes, GM lost alot of money. Here's the link.

http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000820040650/

Any Opera purchased those cars to give to her audience. 

[gery350]

the 350 chevy engine in my opinion is the best v8 engine ever designed. i think v8s should not be ohc i have yet to see one that i can say its worth anything. you can run a 350 to the ground, let it cool off and shes ready to go. believe me i've seen it time and time again.

oh ya like yunt said big deal you can fit a 302 on a 351(windsor that is).
you can fit a 305 and a 327 head on a 350.

technology= back in the 80's and 90's ford had the STAR system which the only way of retrieving codes from the onboard diagnostic system was counting sweeps on a voltmeter and thats it. no stream data.
gm on the other hand had code retrieval and multiple diagnostic capabilities- such as reading sensors, solenoids, fuel mixtures, etc.

lucky for ford(actuall y mechanics) they had to comply with obd and obd2.

[yunt2ride]

Yes, GM lost alot of money. Here's the link.

http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000820040650/

Any Opera purchased those cars to give to her audience. 

Nope, Opera did not purchase them. GM wanted a way to get the publics attention about the new G6 and thats how they did it. I know the whole story on that one. If GM may have reported a lose it because they needed a big tax writeoff. I explained it. If they really did lose that much, even as a big corporation. They could not have given away over 1267 new vehicles. That alone would counts for over $30 million at $25,000 average per vehicle.

[gery350]

i think she flipped the bill for the taxes because the winners were saying if they didnt have money to fix their old cars they didnt have the money to pay the taxes on the new ones.

[Old_School]

The comment about the heads was in regards to someone saying that parts are not interchangeable with the 302/351's. It wasn't directed to you or gery350. Don't know who said it. lol. 305... now that was a motor. 

When people say that the 350 is the best motor ever, you can't really say that because a 1980's 350 is not the same or not even close to the 350's(actually 346's) of today. The LT1/LS1/LS2 have totally different intakes, cams, and heads than the old school 350's. The mains may even be different from older ones but I think the bore/stroke may be the same.  But agrumentably it is one of the best/versatile motors ever built.
I just don't like the LS1's  because they use a plastic intake. That's cutting costs IMO.   -Mark

[MxRacingChick21]

Ford!

[Old_School]

Ford!

Nice L! Here's one of my Ferds:


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[yunt2ride]

The main part of the motor is the bottom end, not the top end. You can do all types of stuff to the top but the bottom is the part thats really more important.

[gery350]

in all honesty i think ford and chevy are both good cars/trucks.

i just prefer chevy. as a mechanic its always been easier to work on and i found the repairs were cheaper and it was an overall reliable vehicle.
now  i will give this to ford the old straight 6 they had in vans and trucks were indestructible.

[big-daddy]

Japs found a market with pickup trucks. And now there take over the market, Honda, Nissan and Toyota. They started with the suv market and will take over the truck market soon... Remember there make here in the USA.

[gery350]

never say never but i will never buy a foreign car.
i am not an economist but although they may be built here, all the profit goes to them d@mn japs.

the asians are slowly but surely taken over the world.

[yunt2ride]

Japs found a market with pickup trucks. And now there take over the market, Honda, Nissan and Toyota. They started with the suv market and will take over the truck market soon... Remember there make here in the USA.

Thats to funny. How can Honda say that they have a truck. Its on a car chassis. Its a small SUV without the top. HEHE. The Subura Brat was more of a truck then the Honda.


Now for your Toyotas and Nissans. Lets see what vthe track record for their V8's are gonna be. American V8's are already proven. Are you gonna be the guinnie pig that buys it on a hope that it hold s up. Plus Do you remember Pearl Harbor, That was the Japs that bombed us. I say support them so they can get enough $$$$ to bomb us again.

[Old_School]

never say never but i will never buy a foreign car.
i am not an economist but although they may be built here, all the profit goes to them d@mn japs.

the asians are slowly but surely taken over the world.

Amen. Same here. I'll never buy a car that runs off of sushi and rice!   That and will never buy a FWD car again. I'll take good ole fashioned American torque. -Mark

[gery350]

the bottom line is the japs have the market cornered on 4 cyl.
but they cant compete with the american made v8. no way.

[big-daddy]

I have a Honda Pilot great SUV... this all wheel drive. Doesn't have a car classic this also build here in the USA by Americans. Sorry Yunts but I worked for GM for a few years and GM V8 have problems with eng knocking noise for years now. When Honda sees a problem that keeps happening on there vehicles, they send out a letter to correct the problem... Not hide it!    http://www.classcounsel.com/news/gm.html Its stuff like that makes me buy a Honda.

[yunt2ride]

I have a Honda Pilot great SUV... this all wheel drive. Doesn't have a car classic this also build here in the USA by Americans. Sorry Yunts but I worked for GM for a few years and GM V8 have problems with eng knocking noise for years now. When Honda sees a problem that keeps happening on there vehicles, they send out a letter to correct the problem... Not hide it!    http://www.classcounsel.com/news/gm.html Its stuff like that makes me buy a Honda.

Sorry BigD, The Pilot and the Ridgeline has a unibody structure, not a ladder type frame like a truck. Unibody is for cars. If you pull anything with it you would be pulling from the body, not the frame. (because it does not have one). The Ridgeline also only comes in 4WD, no 2WD's are available. Like I said, The Subura Brat was more truck then this Honda Ridgeline. That link only says that some lawyer has filed suit. Anybody can file suit. When GM came out with their new engines in 1999, they would sometimes sound like they had an engine knock over time because the piston was close to the head and it would build up carbon on top of the piston. They just needed the top of the piston cleaned to get rid of the knock but it was not a big deal. GM redesigned the pistons after the first ones and got rid of that problem. And GM did not hide it, when a customer complained, we fixed it.

[gery350]

bigdaddy i always pictured you in a big ole dually not a little ricecooking honda. whats up with that.

[big-daddy]

Its my wife SUV, I drive a Jaguar (Ford Product)

I never said it had a frame? Yunt there so many product bulletins on the rod knock issues and oil consumption its not funny. GM started to replace Engine 1 1/2 year ago over it. Remember the letter from tech line?


BTW: Honda arent 4wd there are all wheel drive, They dont have 4 low. 

[gery350]

i got a 2002 5.3 v8 chevy and i aint got no rod knocks or oil consumption.

[BCConviber]

Ok, Now I am biased because I and my dad own Chevy's from 1963 all the way up to 2005... 10 between the two of us. All I have to say is I just sold my 2000 Silverado, because I got a new one. When I sold it, it had 236,000 miles on it. In five years and all that mileage, I put one set of brake pads on it, 4 sets of tires, oil changes every 3000 miles, etc. The ONLY mechanical problem I ever had was one $650 A/C compressor died last fall. That to me is a true sign of quality, and that's why I paid a little more to buy another Chevy.

[RAP04]

GM out sells ford every year, chevy and gmc are the same truck remember that ford owners forget that. chevy's and gmc have better resale value than ford. fords drive like crap look like it and sound like it, chevy's are about 10 years up in technology. chevy had independed front suspension sence 1988 ford just recently got it, ever heard of ''on star'' or ''four wheel steering'', the list can keep going and now a full size hybrid.        WANT A TRACTER BUY A FORD !  WANT  CLASS AND RELIABILITY BUY G.M.

Ford also owns Lincon so add that buddy.

[yunt2ride]

GM out sells ford every year, chevy and gmc are the same truck remember that ford owners forget that. chevy's and gmc have better resale value than ford. fords drive like crap look like it and sound like it, chevy's are about 10 years up in technology. chevy had independed front suspension sence 1988 ford just recently got it, ever heard of ''on star'' or ''four wheel steering'', the list can keep going and now a full size hybrid.        WANT A TRACTER BUY A FORD !  WANT  CLASS AND RELIABILITY BUY G.M.

Ford also owns Lincon so add that buddy.

WOOHOO, I did, do you know how many trucks that lincoln sells. They just started selling them a few years ago and all they are is overpriced glorified  F-150s

[gery350]

why your adding might as well add the escalade oh ya and the hummers( i mean if we're reaching, might as well reach.)

[kawGIRL]

We have had Chevy/GMC for the last 5 years, before that we had a 2x4 ford and a 4x4 Toyota.......Because the price was right   They were OK.

But now with the 10,000 $ off the sticker we could not pass this up  



05 F250 4x4 4-door Turbo Diesel Lariat   Love it

[BCConviber]

Here's one for you Ford guys..  

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