I may have us a new place to ride .

J.D. · February 17, 2005, 12:56:39 PM

Just got back and eberything went GREAT ! We are continuing on , he showed me the land we will be able to use and I think it will be a GREAT starting point . Now we are bringing in the lawyers for the liability issues . , And drawing up the anticipated layout . Mini worm track for the little guys , Semi agressive " trail " system with jumps and stuff for the sport people , and a 4X4 proving ground that will provide the obsticals that will represent many different parts of the country . One thing that I hate to say is that there will not be much MUD . I know that it will dissapoint alot of people that there is no mud but I think I can set up some stuff that you and your 4x4 will find very challenging .People will have to pay to play but I think we can make it worth the cash . [smiley=Approve.gif] [smiley=Approve.gif][smiley=Approve.gif]

Asphaltdragon · February 17, 2005, 01:11:58 PM

QuoteJust got back and eberything went GREAT ! We are continuing on , he showed me the land we will be able to use and I think it will be a GREAT starting point . Now we are bringing in the lawyers for the liability issues . , And drawing up the anticipated layout . Mini worm track for the little guys , Semi agressive " trail " system with jumps and stuff for the sport people , and a 4X4 proving ground that will provide the obsticals that will represent many different parts of the country . One thing that I hate to say is that there will not be much MUD . I know that it will dissapoint alot of people that there is no mud but I think I can set up some stuff that you and your 4x4 will find very challenging .People will have to pay to play but I think we can make it worth the cash . [smiley=Approve.gif] [smiley=Approve.gif][smiley=Approve.gif]

Thank alot for your hard work on this! I got the cash to ride when everything is setup

Eworm · February 17, 2005, 01:16:20 PM

OK OK. Sounding great J. All I need to know is how far from Miami/Broward? Estimate? I can get many poeple interested but need to know distance. Also, can we camp there?

I have a "where to ride in the USA guide" that will help you gather some ideas. Let me know if you want it.

J.D. · February 17, 2005, 01:19:21 PM

On the turnpike from Miami it will take about 1.5 hrs maybe a little less to get there . We have not wnet over the camping part but we will , The guy who owns the business I work for will be on the phone with the insurance MAN manana . All the people from WEST Palm ,ST lucie , FT p will be driving under an hour .

Eworm · February 17, 2005, 01:26:59 PM

QuoteOn the turnpike from Miami it will take about 1.5 hrs maybe a little less to get there . We have not wnet over the camping part but we will , The guy who owns the business I work for will be on the phone with the insurance MAN manana . All the people from WEST Palm ,ST lucie , FT p will be driving under an hour .

Ok, that is not to bad. I can get several members if that is what it takes to get this started(40-60). It would be good if we could spend the night camping though. Should not be a big deal. Just let me know.

J.D. · February 17, 2005, 01:32:10 PM

It should be an easy ride for you . As the project goes along , there are plans for a pro shop , Food and refreshments , potties , ect ... I hope we can get it done and one thing, the more people we can get the more land we can get . So if we get it started and lose it it would truely be a shame .These opportunities dont come around very much .For any people that think I may be full of B.S. , sometimes I am but this time I'm not . Honest Engine .

SoFlaEiger · February 17, 2005, 01:33:53 PM

Hey this sounds great man!!! we really appreciate all the time and hard work you're putting into this and im sure that everyone will be willing to chip in their own efforts to help get this underway!!

Thanks again!

J.D. · February 17, 2005, 02:09:40 PM

I just want a place to ride close to home , If we get going the person we all need to to thank is the man with the land .

customrubicon · February 17, 2005, 04:01:45 PM

It sounds good but wait until the owner tries to get insurance and permits. If that can be done, that is when to celebrate. WE do appreciate the work that you are doing. I would be willing to help in many ways, if it gets going before May. That is when I go back to my business for the summer.

Toomey · February 17, 2005, 04:05:51 PM

If it's 1.5 hours from Miami, it's preety close to Broward then huh? I'll be going there anyways, gotta ride!

So what is this place going to be called?
Lets call it goodluck praire! Maybe it'll stay open that way,

And are the permits going to be the same as the ones for Croom, or different?

J.D. · February 17, 2005, 04:11:33 PM

We are going to run it from a non profit org . The land is zoned ag it may flow easy it may not , but I will not give up ! It will hopefully work somewhat like Durahmtown .But no races just riding .

DaKota · February 18, 2005, 11:12:56 AM

Dang im down. Ill pay whatever for a riding place hopefully everything go's well im looking foward to it.

Eworm · February 21, 2005, 10:21:05 AM

QuoteIt sounds good but wait until the owner tries to get insurance and permits. If that can be done, that is when to celebrate. WE do appreciate the work that you are doing. I would be willing to help in many ways, if it gets going before May. That is when I go back to my business for the summer.

No insurance necesary when the properly formatted document is singed by all visitors. There are ways to create waivers that will clear the owners of any wrong doing and/or responsibility as to what happens out. We will have to be the cops.

J.D. · February 21, 2005, 04:09:25 PM

The waivers help but not completely . Even though they signed a waiver it doesn't prevent them from taking you to court which can still be $ .

tvman · February 22, 2005, 09:51:39 AM

JD:

You are doing something really awesome for us people that love to ride...

I live in Jupiter and share the same dream and passion that you have for the sport...However, I lack the knowledge of getting done what you are attempting. From a financial standpoint I can certainly be of assistance. I know alot of big players with $$$. Best part is that they all have kids that love to ride and they are really cool people.

If you PM me we can chat.

I admire what you're doing and wish you all the success you deserve for your efforts.

I'm excited about this...Keep me informed of your progress..

tvman

Toomey · February 22, 2005, 12:17:55 PM

I CAN'T WAIT!! Two Thumbs Up!!

J.D. · February 22, 2005, 05:09:13 PM

I sent a letter to Gov.Bush a while back with my concerns about riding areas . He sent me a reply and believe it or not he signed it ! I'm going to hang it up at the shop.Anyway , I appreciate the kind words but we still have a long row to hoe .If some of the larger land owners in the ag areas could get the right breaks They would have options other than just sellin out . It would be awsome if we had different areas competing with each other for peoples money .

Boomer · February 22, 2005, 05:53:52 PM

New to the area, heard about "Holey Land" would appreciate some directions to it. Need to go ridin. e-mail me @ waterdon@bellsouth.net thanks

500runner · February 22, 2005, 06:02:09 PM

holley land is close right now you have to ride AREA 3a across the street, a 4x4 quad is a must!!! no fun on a sport atv to much mud.. and when the rain season starts it will be closed, from the high water level............

500runner · February 22, 2005, 06:03:53 PM

for more info on holleyland go to the FWC web site look under hunting maps for the south areas

Boomer · February 22, 2005, 06:37:14 PM

Thanks for the info about "Holey Land" didn't know it was run by FWC

J.D. · February 22, 2005, 06:59:14 PM

It's dry at Holy Lands , a sport will do fine cool place to ride! [smiley=YingYang.gif]

Toomey · February 23, 2005, 04:13:22 AM

JD, this place is around Boca Raton or Palm Beach area then right? What does the area look like? Is it like Croom with sandy trails and lots of trees, or like Naples with like flatter ground and mud?

Eworm · February 23, 2005, 02:25:36 PM

QuoteNew to the area, heard about "Holey Land" would appreciate some directions to it. Need to go ridin. e-mail me @ waterdon@bellsouth.net thanks

You may wanna start a thread or do a search

customrubicon · February 23, 2005, 05:48:05 PM

QuoteNo insurance necesary when the properly formatted document is singed by all visitors. There are ways to create waivers that will clear the owners of any wrong doing and/or responsibility as to what happens out. We will have to be the cops.

That is completely false. If you sign a waiver it means very little. If the property is maintained by the owner...like making trails and someone hits something. If they sue waivers do not cover neglect issues. I am speeking from experience with my own property. States with government riding areas do not make jumps, burms or tracks for this reason. Insurance is necessary. Do not get me wrong waivers should still be used.