I may have us a new place to ride .

[500runner]

have you been to croom? alot of jumps,trails&burms.  if this is true what your saying the state of FL will never have a atv park for us to ride on!   just more info on the FL ATV TITLE SCAM!!!   dont  title your used ATVS!!  until the STATE steps up with rideing areas  and croom& ONF dont count!!!  

[customrubicon]

Most state areas are left natural. The burms are from the atv's riding and creating them. What I mean is that you do not usually see the state making jumps or tracks in these areas. They are made naturally from people riding. Go to a track that is man made and maintained, then ask if they have insurance.

[Eworm]

That is completely false. If you sign a waiver it means very little. If the property is maintained by the owner...like making trails and someone hits something. If they sue waivers do not cover neglect issues. I am speeking from experience with my own property. States with government riding areas do not make jumps, burms or tracks for this reason. Insurance is necessary. Do not get me wrong waivers should still be used.

Your statement has valid points. I guess what I meant to say is that the need for insurance would not be as great as one would initially think with a properly drafted waiver. The waiver can, in a way bring the levels of insurance coverage down, therefore keeping the opearting expenses lower. But this is why JD started this thread. The more ideas and opinins the better.

[J.D.]

That is exactly right , more ideas more possibilities . We gave an insurance man a few rough figures and are awaiting his reply . I realize this whole thing will not be easy and take some imagination but only time will tell . Actually I hate the fact that we are in a situation where we have to pay to ride , but if we dont start now the 20 acre RANCHETTES will chew up the rest of the land available . THEN WHAT DO WE DO ?

[Eworm]

That is exactly right , more ideas more possibilities . We gave an insurance man a few rough figures and are awaiting his reply . I realize this whole thing will not be easy and take some imagination but only time will tell . Actually I hate the fact that we are in a situation where we have to pay to ride , but if we dont start now the 20 acre RANCHETTES will chew up the rest of the land available . THEN WHAT DO WE DO ?

According to the responses J, looks like paying will not be a problem. I have 20-50 that will pay.

[strubby]

I'm another that will pay. Fast trails with jumps and such is EXACTLY what I'm looking for. Does anyone know of any others? Anyways, I'm down for whatever it takes to get this done. I live in Central FL, but I don't care  

[CEC]

Sounds great!!  Keep us updated.  I live in Clearwater and am looking for places to ride.  

[J.D.]

Will do .

[yfz450psycho]

when will this place be opening we rosser riders are getting chased by the cops they are shutting the the places down with guard rails we need places close

[yfz450psycho]

by the way no one should mind a fee they charge at croom

[500runner]

  Looking at other post on this fourm, alot of land owners are making $$$$  on there land by having ATVuse.  Icross, & now a place in palmdale.  J.D you might get in touch or go to a L-CROSS event to get info on what you need to do...
 

[J.D.]

I live off Rosser also . I am just waiting for a quote from the insurance man , then we will go for the next meeting with the land owner .

[Baldy]

by the way no one should mind a fee they charge at croom

This looks to me like a jacka$$ without a helmet. This is the reason why we have so much trouble finding places to ride. I hate getting confrontational but this is rediculas. Get a grip jag-off and go buy a f'ing helmet.

[J.D.]

Still working with insurance people ........ They dont get in tooo much of a hurry . But we are still on it !

[Eworm]

Still working with insurance people ........ They dont get in tooo much of a hurry . But we are still on it !

OK OK. Let us know J.

[Robb]

This looks to me like a jacka$$ without a helmet. This is the reason why we have so much trouble finding places to ride. I hate getting confrontational but this is rediculas. Get a grip jag-off and go buy a f'ing helmet.

helmets are not the reason for losing riding areas...relax dude.

[Eworm]

helmets are not the reason for losing riding areas...relax dude.

Not specifically, however it leads to other things and gives our sport a bad name.

This is what happens:

The tree huggers are always complaining to state officials about us. So they say these guys are wreckless, they tear up the land and: here it comes: "dont wear helmets", "they are killing themselves", "they have no regard for life".


I know I am going a little extreme but you get the picture.


WEAR YOUR HELMETS and if you dont wanna, dont be a moron and take a pic catching 30 feet of air without one on.

[Baldy]

We are trying to get access to more land to ride. More from private owners than anything else. If one of those owners were to see people getting crazy without helmets I would think that they would never give it another thought. It only take one person to die or get seriously injured without a helmet to screw everything up. I guess you just can't teach common sense.

[yfz450psycho]

BALDY i am a real cool guy so i think you should use your words a little better back in the day i would give you a time and place to talk your talk but i am above that now also i ride with a helmet and gear but this was one of those spur of a moment rides to check out the jump on my own property so the way i see it is you should use better wording and dont insult people you dont know ok so be nice we all should stick together

[yfz450psycho]

p.s. that was a little bump any way and like i said i was my land also i came from lost lake area and moved up here to buy land so i have places to ride how ever i want so lets just let the insults go and start over

[Eworm]

BALDY i am a real cool guy so i think you should use your words a little better back in the day i would give you a time and place to talk your talk but i am above that now also i ride with a helmet and gear but this was one of those spur of a moment rides to check out the jump on my own property so the way i see it is you should use better wording and dont insult people you dont know ok so be nice we all should stick together

I personaly feel that is nuts bra. You may not care what I think but oh well. You may be cool but if you wanna keep on being cool, wear a helmet. Cause you may not walk away the next time you wreck and dont have a helmet on. Just looking out, If you are going to jump a 10 foot jump and not wear a helmet please do not post the pic. Dont make sense.

[Eworm]

p.s. that was a little bump any way and like i said i was my land also i came from lost lake area and moved up here to buy land so i have places to ride how ever i want so lets just let the insults go and start over

It realy does not matter if it was your land. If you wanna do it, do it just dont post a pic like that. Does not give our sport a good name.

[Baldy]

Sorry Bro........I just get enraged when I see people riding without helmets. I was riding North Port a couple of months ago and I saw this guy riding his quad with his daughter on the back. Neither one  of them were wearing helmets. Then I saw them roll it into one of the revines. After I saw that the little girl was ok I wanted to pummel the jerk with my helmet. They weren't even riding fast. You never know when something is going to happen even on your own property. So no offense, but I hope you see where I'm coming from.

JD seems to be working really hard on this new place to ride and I would hate to see it all go for not if the landowner decided to see that picture on this thread.  

[yfz450psycho]

thats cool you should get to port st lucie area and go riding some times

[Eworm]

I think you are real close to the place JD is talking about....