3,000 U.S. service men and women dead in Iraq and counting...

[wilburz]

This really blows! What a waste of time and resources. I would personnally like to thank President Bush for dragging us into this quagmire.   

So glad we were able to find those WMD's. What a joke! God protect our troops over seas and bring them home asap.   

[dnigels]

I think we should bring the troops home today!  If we are worried about who takes Saddams place heres what we do:  SHOCK & AWE all over again.  We kick butt easy enough for a week, then bring em back.  We continue this until their is a regime we can live with.  No more occupation forces.

This is also great training for our troops. (Our casualties were minimal the first week, both times)

[Fox17]

if we pull out and dont fight it there, it WILL be fought HERE in a matter of time. ithink we should pull them out and nuke the crap out of them but that isnt gonna happen. we need to take care of these scum bags.

[backwoods boy]

im w/ ^ we should kill all the stupid towelhead muslims wether in the usa or overseas part of the basis of muslim religion is kill those who dont accept their beliefs so that puts ALL muslims as threats wether they do the act or just support them they are crazy basturds n should be done away with

[Busta Nutt]

ttt

[MadMudder]

Well, this whole can of worms has already been opened. Fox is right though up to the nukeing part. It seems like a good idea at first but when you actually put it into reality, its a very bad idea. As for the 3,000 people that died all I have to say is this. I respect our troops and completly support them. But if we leave then what took 3,000 lives and years to fix will all be for nothing in a week. I dont know if people realize how bad some people are. They are extremist that are driven by one thing. Religion. They will not stop untill their religion is all there is or they are eleminated. How many major terrorist attacks have happened since we went into Iraq. 0. Thats because we are fighting them over there instead over here. If we let them take over that country, which they will, then 3,000 lives could be in one attack. Thats why we need to make sure those 3,000 men and women that died over there died for a reason.

[CABLEGUY1]

Well, this whole can of worms has already been opened. Fox is right though up to the nukeing part. It seems like a good idea at first but when you actually put it into reality, its a very bad idea. As for the 3,000 people that died all I have to say is this. I respect our troops and completly support them. But if we leave then what took 3,000 lives and years to fix will all be for nothing in a week. I dont know if people realize how bad some people are. They are extremist that are driven by one thing. Religion. They will not stop untill their religion is all there is or they are eleminated. How many major terrorist attacks have happened since we went into Iraq. 0. Thats because we are fighting them over there instead over here. If we let them take over that country, which they will, then 3,000 lives could be in one attack. Thats why we need to make sure those 3,000 men and women that died over there died for a reason.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Very well said but it's easier for some people to blame Bush for everything. C'mon,do you really think that just because we have not found any weapons of mass destruction that they were never there? Remember during and leading up to the initial invasion they had SEVERAL oppurtunities to move them to neighboring countries.I'm with you,had we not gone to war there would most certainly have been another attack against us. We as a country fear a nuclear attack and as a result we include it as a contributing factor in the excuse for going to war but on the other hand we have no problem suggesting we nuke someone else??? That's not the answer.We're on the right tract by trying to help them institute some sort of governmental institution in hopes of enabling them to enforce law and order for themselves. While I'm truly heartbroken for the families of our soldiers lost in action I can honestly say I feel safer now then if we were not there keeping them from openly organizing and promoting another attack. Yes I would love to say our job is finished and get all the troops out of there but that would be the beginning to our end.Remember were not savages like the extremists over there that have been fighting holy wars for years and years.Could you imagine seeing the death and destruction that has happened there for hundreds of years happening in your neighborhood?

[550superquad]

. C'mon,do you really think that just because we have not found any weapons of mass destruction that they were never there? Remember during and leading up to the initial invasion they had SEVERAL oppurtunities to move them to neighboring countries.I'm with you,had we not gone to war there would most certainly have been another attack against us. We as a country fear a nuclear attack and as a result we include it as a contributing factor in the excuse for going to war but on the other hand we have no problem suggesting we nuke someone else??? That's not the answer.We're on the right tract by trying to help them institute some sort of governmental institution in hopes of enabling them to enforce law and order for themselves. While I'm truly heartbroken for the families of our soldiers lost in action I can honestly say I feel safer now then if we were not there keeping them from openly organizing and promoting another attack. Yes I would love to say our job is finished and get all the troops out of there but that would be the beginning to our end.Remember were not savages like the extremists over there that have been fighting holy wars for years and years.Could you imagine seeing the death and destruction that has happened there for hundreds of years happening in your neighborhood?

[PREDOCROSS]

It's been said before that " War is hell." This war is world wide, and is going to last a long time. This war is like the Cold war. Those with the most desire to win will win. We can't afford to run away and put our head in the sand. We have to support our troops both here and away. They sacrifice family,career and life,and what have we given?( Some have given their children). I'm guilty of not doing enough, just like some of you. So, lets have some practical ideas to help our troops and their families. Forget Bush, or Rep, or Dem. It is what it is. If we don't all get involved we will all lose.

[yunt2ride]

Well, this whole can of worms has already been opened. Fox is right though up to the nukeing part. It seems like a good idea at first but when you actually put it into reality, its a very bad idea. As for the 3,000 people that died all I have to say is this. I respect our troops and completly support them. But if we leave then what took 3,000 lives and years to fix will all be for nothing in a week. I dont know if people realize how bad some people are. They are extremist that are driven by one thing. Religion. They will not stop untill their religion is all there is or they are eleminated. How many major terrorist attacks have happened since we went into Iraq. 0. Thats because we are fighting them over there instead over here. If we let them take over that country, which they will, then 3,000 lives could be in one attack. Thats why we need to make sure those 3,000 men and women that died over there died for a reason.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Very well said but it's easier for some people to blame Bush for everything. C'mon,do you really think that just because we have not found any weapons of mass destruction that they were never there? Remember during and leading up to the initial invasion they had SEVERAL oppurtunities to move them to neighboring countries.I'm with you,had we not gone to war there would most certainly have been another attack against us. We as a country fear a nuclear attack and as a result we include it as a contributing factor in the excuse for going to war but on the other hand we have no problem suggesting we nuke someone else??? That's not the answer.We're on the right tract by trying to help them institute some sort of governmental institution in hopes of enabling them to enforce law and order for themselves. While I'm truly heartbroken for the families of our soldiers lost in action I can honestly say I feel safer now then if we were not there keeping them from openly organizing and promoting another attack. Yes I would love to say our job is finished and get all the troops out of there but that would be the beginning to our end.Remember were not savages like the extremists over there that have been fighting holy wars for years and years.Could you imagine seeing the death and destruction that has happened there for hundreds of years happening in your neighborhood?

Very well said from both here. I thank our veterans for fighting for our country and keeping us safe. On another hand, people must remember that we have a military to protect our country and every one in there to this date, VOLUNTEERED. They were not DRAFTED. They joined the military because, they wanted to protect our country, The benefits and retirement, paid health benefits and decent pay. My brother served 16 years in the military and went to desert storm but it was his and only his decision to join the forces. People who JOIN knows going in that it is a dangerous job and must weigh their own options before signing up for it. What about other people that protect us and our country. Has anyone forgot about all the cops that protect our streets day and night. They to go to work every day knowing that they may not come home to their families. Should we not have a military and cops to protect us. What would this country be without them. If these people did not VOLUNTEER then there would be no need to have a military or cops on the streets. Its a job and every job has its dangers. Didn't I hear on the news a few weeks back that some democrat representatve wanted to bring back the draft. YEP. Now those people that are drafted will not get a choice. In one ear you hear that we should pull out and in another we hear that maybe we should reinstate the draft. Why have the draft if we are not gonna protect our country.

[MadMudder]

I think we should bring the troops home today!  If we are worried about who takes Saddams place heres what we do:  SHOCK & AWE all over again.  We kick butt easy enough for a week, then bring em back.  We continue this until their is a regime we can live with.  No more occupation forces.

This is also great training for our troops. (Our casualties were minimal the first week, both times)

Lets see, did it work the first week? No. If we would have won the  war in the first two weeks then the war would have been over weeks ago. I wish it was that easy but its not. Just keep invading and then running away? That would just be millions of dollars wasted in transporting troops. Plus giving them time to take over the country again would just be shooting ourselves in the foot.

[ScooterB]

The war on terror is like the war on drugs and the war on poverty. It will continue throught our lifetime and probably our childrens as well.

I am thankfull that there are so many brave men and women that vollenteer for our armed services so that we can enjoy our freedom.

my .02

[VForcedave]

History is repeating itself. If you look at the wars the U.S. engaged in over the last 200 years you will see the pattern. Except for Vietnam and that tragic fight in Somolia, we stopped the aggression of other non-democratic countries with a azz-whipping. Now look at those same countries today. They are allies of the U.S. and Democracy Rules. Plain and simple. We went in to do a job, lets finish the job and come home. The loss of the 3000 is a tragedy and can never be forgotten or diminished by running away. This is a whole different type of war that will last forever. They are coming and we must not be defeated anywhere. My .02 worth.         

[greenmachine]

I am so sick of all the Bush haters. Your arguments are unfounded & full of holes. The day we stepped on to the beach in Normandy in a WORLD WAR, we lost over 3000 MEN in the first hour. I guess we should have turned tail & went home right then !!!! Give me a break, check the stats on all wars on lives lost before posting a dead end thread like this one. We have been fighting every day for years now, 3000 isnt much compared to the past. God bless our troops & George Bush OUR PRESIDENT like it or not.

[wilburz]

I am so sick of all the Bush haters. Your arguments are unfounded & full of holes. The day we stepped on to the beach in Normandy in a WORLD WAR, we lost over 3000 MEN in the first hour. I guess we should have turned tail & went home right then !!!! Give me a break, check the stats on all wars on lives lost before posting a dead end thread like this one. We have been fighting every day for years now, 3000 isnt much compared to the past. God bless our troops & George Bush OUR PRESIDENT like it or not.

Don't think you can compare the so called 'war' in iraq with the invasion of Normandy! Come on you need to give us a break! For one, there is not even an Iraqi army any more to fight. We have gotten together some iraqi misfits and tried to train them to fight the insurgents. That obviously is not working. Everyday IED's explode and kill and mame hundreds. I believe there were around 66,000 deaths in the Vietnam war. You say 3,000 is not much? Well, the 3,000th death of one of ours was a young guy. He had been in Iraq only for 2 months. That is sad he had to lose his life in that crizap hole of a place for nothing.  Tell each of the parents or widows of those 3,000 that that number is not much. I think one was too much life to lose.

If Mr. Bush can't outfit our troops with enough fire power and armor so they do not get killed then what can he do?     

[Able]

This really blows! What a waste of time and resources. I would personnally like to thank President Bush for dragging us into this quagmire.   

So glad we were able to find those WMD's. What a joke! God protect our troops over seas and bring them home asap.   

Yeah it's Bush's fault that Sadam killed 10's or even 100's of thousands and needed to be ousted. And there's no way we should have been willing to sacrifice any of our courageous soldiers for something like , oh I don't know, prevention of manufacturing of or obtaining WMD, or funding and training terrorists. Hey didn't we do someting similar in the 40's? And how many died then? I'm sure we lost a lot more on D-Day but no one
 b!tched then. We had the same liberties back then , but I guess with more time as a free country under our belts we get complasent and start crying about the sacrifices that need to be made to ensure our way of life, and to bring it to others in the world. Hey we could have left sadam in to kill another 100,000 by way of gas fi the mood struck him, But then the same people b!tching now would say Bush was a monster for NOT stepping in. Just remember that if it wasn't for our courageous soldiers and our courageous leaders  that we wouldn't have the freedom and luxury of sitting back whining like so many do. Just a quick question for the liberals out there... how many people did sadam have to torture and  brutally murder while starving others to keep the billions of illegal oil money to build his palaces to make it worth going in?

[wilburz]

This really blows! What a waste of time and resources. I would personnally like to thank President Bush for dragging us into this quagmire.   

So glad we were able to find those WMD's. What a joke! God protect our troops over seas and bring them home asap.   

Yeah it's Bush's fault that Sadam killed 10's or even 100's of thousands and needed to be ousted. And there's no way we should have been willing to sacrifice any of our courageous soldiers for something like , oh I don't know, prevention of manufacturing of or obtaining WMD, or funding and training terrorists. Hey didn't we do someting similar in the 40's? And how many died then? I'm sure we lost a lot more on D-Day but no one
 b!tched then. We had the same liberties back then , but I guess with more time as a free country under our belts we get complasent and start crying about the sacrifices that need to be made to ensure our way of life, and to bring it to others in the world. Hey we could have left sadam in to kill another 100,000 by way of gas fi the mood struck him, But then the same people b!tching now would say Bush was a monster for NOT stepping in. Just remember that if it wasn't for our courageous soldiers and our courageous leaders  that we wouldn't have the freedom and luxury of sitting back whining like so many do. Just a quick question for the liberals out there... how many people did sadam have to torture and  brutally murder while starving others to keep the billions of illegal oil money to build his palaces to make it worth going in?

Don't forget to mention that China is currently and has been for years killing thousands of its own people each year. They even run over there own youths with there tanks. Why doesn't Bush go over there and take out thier leadership? Because then all the government croonies would stop making millions on all the Chinese contracts etc. 

We did not have to wait for Bush to step in do something to save Iraqi lives. There are already 100's of them getting killed each day there now. Saddam does not have to do it. Also I remember when Bush did nothing to save the lives of those folks that were hit by hirricane Katrina. I waited for him to step in and help those less fortunate but he never did. So don't say Bush is our savior. Becuase he is not.

[greenmachine]

^^^ just ask the liberals, they have all the suggestions, but no REAL ANSWERS, just bitching.

[SomBch]

 This whole s---t storm in Iraq could have been avoided had we bombed the crap out of Iran( the country that actually has nukes and supports terrorist groups)and made that place a parking lot. After that ,all the terrorist nations would listen to what we are cookin!!! Or face ultimate extermination. And that makes sense whether you are a dem or a rep!! So can we end this crappy thread now!!!!

[MadMudder]

I dont understand why people cannot comprehend the fact that you cannot nuke other countries just because they are a problem. Everyone would be dead if that was the case. First of all if that was an attempt at a shutdown post then that was bad. Lets just think about what would happen if we decided to drop a bomb on Iran. First of all they would fire thier nukes at us because they might live in a desert but they have the techonlogy to fire back and know there about to get microwaved. Plus nukes dont stop at the border. If you want to turn the entire country into a "parking lot" then you would need a pretty big bomb. Then the neucler fall out and radiation would devisitate the region and all the oil it brings. And because we import like 75% of all our oil from that region it would be pretty bad. Not to mention how we would look in the international spotlight. So as you can see nuking a country would be a very bad idea and I wish people would stop suggesting it.

[Chillinthemost]

Sorry Wilburz, but you seem to be outnumbered. You are a great guy and I will ride with you any time but we dont agree on this issue.

[SomBch]

I dont understand why people cannot comprehend the fact that you cannot nuke other countries just because they are a problem. Everyone would be dead if that was the case. First of all if that was an attempt at a shutdown post then that was bad. Lets just think about what would happen if we decided to drop a bomb on Iran. First of all they would fire thier nukes at us because they might live in a desert but they have the techonlogy to fire back and know there about to get microwaved. Plus nukes dont stop at the border. If you want to turn the entire country into a "parking lot" then you would need a pretty big bomb. Then the neucler fall out and radiation would devisitate the region and all the oil it brings. And because we import like 75% of all our oil from that region it would be pretty bad. Not to mention how we would look in the international spotlight. So as you can see nuking a country would be a very bad idea and I wish people would stop suggesting it.

I said "bomb" not "nuke" there is a huge difference. We dont need to nuke anybody to break their will and get them to lay down their weapons. The invasion of Iraq started as a "bombing campaign" , Desert storm started as a" bombing campaign" and most all other military conflicts start pretty much the same way. You have to soften up your enemy and you do that with tactical bombing!!! Now that we cleared that up , can we end this and move on to more important things like college football!!!!!!

[Able]

This really blows! What a waste of time and resources. I would personnally like to thank President Bush for dragging us into this quagmire.   

So glad we were able to find those WMD's. What a joke! God protect our troops over seas and bring them home asap.   

Yeah it's Bush's fault that Sadam killed 10's or even 100's of thousands and needed to be ousted. And there's no way we should have been willing to sacrifice any of our courageous soldiers for something like , oh I don't know, prevention of manufacturing of or obtaining WMD, or funding and training terrorists. Hey didn't we do someting similar in the 40's? And how many died then? I'm sure we lost a lot more on D-Day but no one
 b!tched then. We had the same liberties back then , but I guess with more time as a free country under our belts we get complasent and start crying about the sacrifices that need to be made to ensure our way of life, and to bring it to others in the world. Hey we could have left sadam in to kill another 100,000 by way of gas fi the mood struck him, But then the same people b!tching now would say Bush was a monster for NOT stepping in. Just remember that if it wasn't for our courageous soldiers and our courageous leaders  that we wouldn't have the freedom and luxury of sitting back whining like so many do. Just a quick question for the liberals out there... how many people did sadam have to torture and  brutally murder while starving others to keep the billions of illegal oil money to build his palaces to make it worth going in?

Don't forget to mention that China is currently and has been for years killing thousands of its own people each year. They even run over there own youths with there tanks. Why doesn't Bush go over there and take out thier leadership? Because then all the government croonies would stop making millions on all the Chinese contracts etc. 

We did not have to wait for Bush to step in do something to save Iraqi lives. There are already 100's of them getting killed each day there now. Saddam does not have to do it. Also I remember when Bush did nothing to save the lives of those folks that were hit by hirricane Katrina. I waited for him to step in and help those less fortunate but he never did. So don't say Bush is our savior. Becuase he is not.

So bash Bush for stepping in in Iraq, then contradict yourself by bashing him for not stepping in in China ? China isn't out to destroy us or Isreal which would definitely lead to a widespread nuclear war. We can't save the world all at once, and even if we tried people like you would complain if a soldier died, then b!tch because we didn't do it sooner. It still amazes me that Bush is to blame for a natural disaster and for the loss of property and life, even when the residents were warned and told to leave. Maybe Bush should have forced them out via military at gunpoint for their own good, but wait then you would bash him for doing that. It appears in the opinions of some some of our presidents (Clinton) could do no wrong (Lewinski, whitewater, lie under oath, etc,etc,etc) and Bush can do no right in your eyes. Protect us from terrorists, liberate 2 countries from brutal murderous dictators, and still he's to blame for everything ? Just amazing.

[SomBch]

Oh, boy....... this is a great discussion on how to further divide and weaken America ,by looking at this situation through partisan eyes. This accomplishes nothing .

[AintSkeered]

12,000 Iraqis have died, too! But, who gives a rat's ass about them because our humanitarian effort was only intended to "liberate" the survivors, right?  Those 15,000 are simply collateral damage!