i have a '83 Yamaha Tri Moto 225DX

if you decide on the raptor i wouldnt buy a brand new one... unless you need that show room shine... because you can get a pretty nice raptor with lots of extras for around $4,000 right now since everyone is selling them to buy the yfz450...

you should get one that already has aftermarket shocks... that helps ease the 660's poor handling alot and will make it a much better trail quad for ya.

i've never heard a bad thing about them... plus they have the disks so you can fine tune the power.

might want to think about getting the quiet core for the HMF... i dont know what they sound like on a 400ex but i have one on my raptor 686 and it will make your ears bleed!!! its rated about 107 db.

but it does have its advantages... my girlfriend is always asking why i never answer her when she's talking to me... i just blame it on hearing loss from the pipe!!!

     just letting bluesman know that he is right about bombardier being in financial trouble.
    they are being sold... NOT going out business. bombardier was losing money with its recreation division and was looking for a way out of debt. so they sold the division (not the whole company) to a group led by a company called Bain Capital for $1.225 billion (canadian) or $8.7 million US... the break down will go something like this... Bain Capital holds 50% of the company while bombardier will keep 35% and a company from Quebec will have 15%.

   indications are that they do not want to break up the divison but they may change the bombardier name. the companys wanted to strengthen the ATV side of the recreational division and maybe lessen some other areas like boat motors or PWC's.

   just thought i'd let you all know what i had heard.