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watch it or I'll have to report you for hijacking the He's back thread 


310r - similar behavior has been performed here recenlty and was frowned upon. maybe you should use pm's to make a recommendation to me. Seeing as how a public post that is disrespectful or, as you yourself described it in your original post,  bad for the site is grounds for being reported and or disciplanery action.

It's unfreaking believable how hard headed you are.

No it's not. What did you expect? You read and replied to some of
the stuff he said about THIS site while he ws banned. He's like
a kid needing attention. In fact that's all it is.

Oooooooh I luv you's cainy wainy...
Glad your back bro'
Blah blah blah 

Oh hey...  just dont read it if you dont like it! Right.
Hey I am just exercising my right to free speech too.
yada yada yada


See cain, so far I have said nothing inappropriate and
YET... it is still bad for the site.

GET IT?  rag.

No prolly not but we are trying to help you. Help you grow up.
We believe in you man. Hahahahah

I knew you would not stay away no matter how much you said
this site sucked at the "other" site.

Whatever
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Would that be a personal attack? I see it as offensive. You acknowledge it is bad for the site in your post yet you posted it anyway. Do you see anything wrong with that ?

My sig says nothing offensive or degrading, nor does it single out an individual. It is a profound philosophical statement that is made in general.

Id@ - I agree freedom of speech is often misused and abused, but I would argue that is not the case here. I have violated no rules of the site. I have not posted anything since my returning from being banned that is lewd offensive or attacks another member. I have not disrespected anyone or the site as a whole. I will no longer post such things. I will not intentionally single out a person and target them. I will not use offensive language even by using symbols to stand for letters as many do. I will however feel free to speak my mind while observing the rules of the site. If someone doesn't agree with my opinion that is their choice and I respect their freedom to do so.

I have complied with the rule :
G-rated - nothing in my posts since my being banned are anyghing other than G-rated.
no profanity, personal attack, hijacking or bashing anyone.
No offensive screen names or inappropriate statments in my sig  simply a profound philosophical statement made in general which I believe is nothing more than me exercisig my freedom of speech  since I have complied with all rules of the site.
If however anyone is referring to any posts made pre-banning I was under the impression that the mods "cleaned this place up" however if there are any of my posts remaining I would be happy to modify them so that they no longer offend anyone or compromise the integrity of this site. Please send me any links to my posts that you would like me to modify and I will be happy to do so. I expect not to be banned again for old posts dated before the end of my banned period that ended 10/5/05.
What I won't do is refrain from posting my opinion in an appropriate, intelligent, well worded way that does not violate any rule of this site. As stated in the rules I will be warned prior to any banning (even though I didn't get that benefit the first time).
On that note I will be reporting posts that I find offensive and inappropriate regardless of who originated the post. I am all for the rules to protect the site, its content, and its members. I do however believe that we should all be held to the same standard of conduct. So anyone that has posted threats, lewd material, disrespectful commnets, or inappropriate material for which they have not yet been warned or banned, I ask you now to modify or remove it for everyone's sake.

I  wonder  why  our  brother  GASGASMAN  cant  post  yet ?  He  must  be  the  most  vile  and  hated  one.

He can, Maybe he's working or something, Besides Cain, You were all reset at the same time.

Nothing I post is vulgar, or violates the site rules. If I get banned it's because I don't post only what certain people want. Well that is a freedom guaranteed under our constitution called freedom of speech. Maybe you guys have heard of it ?
If you say so. I know last night Quad, gasgasman, and LE were all pming me on another site wanting to know why they couldn't post here since they got banned before me. Ask Id@ I was pming him about it last night.

I don't know sometimes I long for the freedom in Communist China 

did you think open discussion meant open discussion ?

I didn't bring it up just responding to the condescending comments made by others shifting responsibility where it doesn't belong. I posted nothing offensive, vulgar, or disrespectful to site or members. Just voicing my opinion.

Lets make sure we're all on the same page here.
As far as your sig ltr-450. You were all banned for stirring up trouble, being vulgar and not respecting the site rules. Your post to me was the straw that broke the camels back. If you don't know them then look at the agreement when you signed up. Quad and gasgas just got caught up in the mess. You guys are more than welcome to post anything that you want as long as it doesn't get rude,or crude. The moderators make the decision as to what gets modified or deleted. Just keep it clean and have fun.

I was trying to stay away from it but you put it out there so.... the post I was banned for was not offensive except to maybe your ego. it wasn't nasty or anything it just didn't agree with what you were doing and your attitude.

And if that's the case when is you suspension going to start ? You threatened LE and were rude to many. It wasn't only the ones banned that you offended either and I'm sure you know that by people leaving and other posting about it. I guess it's still a case of do what you want if you're a mod.

lt250r was banned for looking back in your old posts and quoting them to show the hypocracy of the site mods. You told him it was because he brought te subject up again. It is open discussion and nothing he posted was bad. You didn't like it and banned him. Are you gonna ban me again for talking about it? Hmmmmm.

And you even followed us (I know you signed up before us - but you went behind and posted behind everything we posted ) at another site. you even got nasty with me in pm's and told lt250r in an open forum "bring it punk" When I called you on it you said "I'm obeying the rules of this site" So it show how hypocritical you are. You did it there, and you did it here and banned others for less than what you did. 

You wanted to bring it back up so here it is. I have posted nothing offensive or lewd, no cussing or personal attacks. What I have posted  is facts and in some cases opinion which violate none of the rules. Guess we'll see what happens.

wazzzzzup cain! glad to see you back.... is quad coming back or no?

That remains to be seen. Although some banned posted nothing obscene they got 3 days temp ban, but so far I'm the only one allowed back. Even though others were banned before me. Quad, LE, Gasgasman, lt250r are all still banned. I guess the drama continues.

I don't know. At one point I had high hopes, but reality has snuck up on me.
Who me cynical, doubtful, dismayed ? Hmmmmmmmm.........

Heard the expression about "what's in a name" ? How about a signature? will that do?

LOL the funny thing is I still can't tell who likes me and who hates me 

Good to be back around my DS ridin bro 

  You know what I'm all about 

Thanks guys - Id@ I don't try to ban anyone. If you are inclined join us.

Mark - I plan on staying the night of the 15th and riding for a while on the 16th before driving back. I figure if I'm gonna drive up I'll get as much ride time/recovery time (from night before) in on the 16th and leave early afternoon. Let me know what your plans are maybe we can car pool ?

For those of you that are familiar with the old school of rap origin I now borrow a quote :
Ice Cube (formerly of NWA) "I'm the N..... that you love to hate" ! 

Thanks to all of those that contacted me and were out for justice from the beginning regarless of your personal feelings for me. I'd rather be hated for being me than "liked" for fear of what I might do to you.

The group ride for 10/15-10/16 is still on for anyone that's interested. It was initially called the monk group ride, later to be the short bus group ride, be maybe one more name change is in order?
    How about the infamous group ride  It's gonna be a blast.


it's original so if you quote me give me credit 
      The true measure of integrity is not what you're willing to do, it's what you are willing to do in the face of extreme adversity.

Thank you all. Big Daddy the pics have been up since day Here's the link
http://www.floridaatv.com/YaBB.pl?num=1128358194

I sent you a pm to ask you about it but since you're busy flexing your almighty power forget it. Fine run your dictatorship of a site right into the ground. with no members there's no site. We all came here because it was well run and we enjoyed it. now it's  "I'm better than you and do what I want" Not I'll do what it takes to make the sight clean, but what ever I want. I frequently post about atv's and riding. however the reason I've been here for just over 2 years is due to the comorodery and friendship. Just like Swamp Donkey asked for prayers in his time of need. We do such things in a comfortable and helpful society not in a coercive dictatorship.

If you expect me to lick your boots or to only post exactly what you like or agree with while you post nasty comments and threats cause you're a "mod" then don't bother pushing your big bad delete button I'll remove myself. You post what ever you want and even if we follow the rules but upset the big bad mods we get banned ? that's crap no matter how you look at it. Those that don't like me will be happy to see me go, but remember that you too might one day have an original or non-conformist idea that will get you deleted due to someone's ego being bruised.

Absolutely amazing. I am curious and must ask. were they banned for inappropriate posts or for personal reasons concerning a moderator ? 

Man you guys said undies  Now this thread is scheduled for deletion too and maybe we'll get banned ofr obscene language 

Oil with gas ?? Now that dont sound right at all 

 I; eye ; aiye and any other version to make sure you all get the point 

I think sand in the gas helps 

Cain- I have agreed with you on the majority of things you say untilnow. And there is a lot of things I could say that would make it personel I have never asked for or demanded that I have special privliages in fact until last night I had only made 30 post but when my husband is going thru he11 and back to keep just a handfull happy and then get's personally attacked by the few I sure as heck am going to stand up to them and state my oppinion which only belongs to me not my "MOD HUSBAND".  I am sick of him not being able to keep the peace and when he snaps he is the one who gets attacked! And our family is brought into it. He is human too. Do you have any idea how many pm's are in both of our accounts right now??? Ton's supporting what both Mike and I said last night. And they are not part of any clicks???You said this is a dictatorship so I said let the majority rule!! That to was not the correct answer. Nothing is enough for some people. Please add my husband and my name to the list. I would love for MIke to give this up then maybe he might live to see 50! You and a few others are sucking the life from him.
Cain would you go to Disney and protest no strip joints? No because Disney was set up with Family in mind------This site is no different

As stated I have no prob with rules. I am for the rules being applied even.y. The prob (onlly 1 I've ever had) with your husband is the fact that it's ok for him to make an outright personal attack and threat with no repercussions due to his mod status. There have been threads deleted for content and I for one have said things like "I understand why, it got out of hand, etc" but for it to be ok for some and not others is my problem. As you know I believe in expressing my opinion and you said yourself we usually are on the same page. But now it's get rid of me since we don't see eye to eye ? Isn't that acting on a bias ? I again say state the rules and apply them. It shouldn't be different for different people. I am sorry if my posts have placed stress on or demanded the time of your husband. I can see where it would be hard trying to sift through all the stuff on this site and trying to keep the peace. I applaud his efforts as long as equality is kept intact. the suggestion was made for a pg-13 section to accomodate adults (still with rules of decency in mind) after age verification was made to help seperate any possible offensive or controversial content from mainstream discussions. I for one believe it would have been in the best interest of the site and avoided much drama. I however don't have the authority do make such a decision and would be fine to stay and play by the rules as a G rated site. My problem was in the way the rules were applied and the fact that they applied to a certain few. perhaps it's due to the ovewhelming amount of posts that this took place, I can't say for sure. It just seemed like an unjust application of the select rules on a few. Maybe it was all a misunderstanding that got blown way out of proportion, but threats and delete these few accounts isn't the way to solve it and only strengthens the thought that it was singling out a few individuals. This dichotomy can't exist on only 1 side. There seem to be two factions going at it. I think a truce need to be called and the rules as well as their enforcement revisited.

See there it goes. NOw we're gonna get deleted again!