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Where to Ride? / Re: I heard the Prairie in Okechobee is ILLEGAL now!
July 29, 2006, 08:15:21 PM
Hey Kawgirl...did you mean 1/11/05 or 1/11/06 ??
Just curious
Just curious
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Where to Ride? / Re: I heard the Prairie in Okechobee is ILLEGAL now!
July 27, 2006, 10:45:09 PM
I just thought I'd throw down what I've heard.
I heard a girl did get hurt and was suing the water management district (I haven't heard about anyone dying though) and since then the water management district has outlawed riding on their parcels.
Not long ago I came across a Sheriff officer and all he said is that my daughter (a minor) needed a helmet to ride out there. He didn't care if my wife or I had one. He was cool about us riding though. I've always heard "no riding on the paved roads" for the prairies. I don't anyway...tires cost too much.
We ride utility atv's so we don't run fast anyway or hot dog around on them. We save that for the back woods.
I heard a girl did get hurt and was suing the water management district (I haven't heard about anyone dying though) and since then the water management district has outlawed riding on their parcels.
Not long ago I came across a Sheriff officer and all he said is that my daughter (a minor) needed a helmet to ride out there. He didn't care if my wife or I had one. He was cool about us riding though. I've always heard "no riding on the paved roads" for the prairies. I don't anyway...tires cost too much.
We ride utility atv's so we don't run fast anyway or hot dog around on them. We save that for the back woods.
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Where to Ride? / Re: I may have us a new place to ride .
July 27, 2006, 10:37:00 PM
I'm watching the Naples thing too! It appears to have a lot of promise. Maybe even the begining of state land for more parts of Florida.
To answer your question, in short - "yes". I'll guess Croom is about 2-3 hrs from you. The area we feel that will get the most initial support is more like 1 to 1.5 hrs from you probably along or near the hwy27 corridor.
To answer your question, in short - "yes". I'll guess Croom is about 2-3 hrs from you. The area we feel that will get the most initial support is more like 1 to 1.5 hrs from you probably along or near the hwy27 corridor.
#5
Where to Ride? / Re: I may have us a new place to ride .
June 19, 2006, 08:21:20 PM
I'd respond more timely but I'm apparently not receiving the email notification (sorry).
The $3-4,000 is for ownership. The technique is an LP with a GP. In English, the LLC doesn't provide the protection or the wide ownership needed. Our attorneys have already designed the LP (Limited Partnership) where owners of the land will be "Partners" of the LP and can buy and sell their interest at will and are not personally at risk of any law suit that may arrise out of an injury (short of it being their own fault of course). The GP (General Partner) is a requirement for the government of the LP - this furthers the span of liability issues for the limited partners. It will be a corporation for further protection for those people responsible for the operations. Since we obviously live in a suit happy world we'll all need as much distance and protection against that 1 injury that we all hope never happens and this will give much of that.
After dishing out multiples of $3-6,000 just for our machines this investment is the icing on the cake! A place to ride whenever and forever. You also asked "will they make anything over time?". Of course our desire is for everyone to purchase with useage as their primary intent. We all will have a marketable stake in the property. We can buy and sell individually or we can all vote to sell off the whole thing. I personally would buy and use (hold). Who knows what 10-20 yrs down the road could bring as a return-on-investment though. I think it's all good!
In response to MachineDog , we wouldn't be allowed to charge on a per usage basis. That would make this an operational business (instead of simple ownership) and the obstacles/liabilities would be tremendous. Our current technique is tough for municipalities to stop us from riding because it's our land we're riding on and we have that right. I've found no county that has prohibited the use of our own land for this purpose (with the exception of the city of "PALM BAY") Funny people they are. The city passed a law that (without coming out and saying it) requires approx 17.84 acres just to start your ATV (in the middle of the property) which is 500' from your nearest neighbor [pie r(squared)]. Who needs Palm Bay though. 400 + acres will resolve any of those issues.
To answer what I believe may be at the root of your question, we will be seeking out the ability to offer financing. Fractional ownership can be a bear to secure financing for, but we'll try.
One of the more recent statistics about ATV'rs in Florida is that there are 100's of thousands of us. We can easily open ownership riding areas all over Florida with a nominal investment. The majority of people who have signed up at our web site www.fl-atv.com with the desire to own their own riding land are from the areas I-4 and South. The north half of Fl still needs areas because we have plenty of folks in those areas but based on the majority our first group of facilities will be South.
The $3-4,000 is for ownership. The technique is an LP with a GP. In English, the LLC doesn't provide the protection or the wide ownership needed. Our attorneys have already designed the LP (Limited Partnership) where owners of the land will be "Partners" of the LP and can buy and sell their interest at will and are not personally at risk of any law suit that may arrise out of an injury (short of it being their own fault of course). The GP (General Partner) is a requirement for the government of the LP - this furthers the span of liability issues for the limited partners. It will be a corporation for further protection for those people responsible for the operations. Since we obviously live in a suit happy world we'll all need as much distance and protection against that 1 injury that we all hope never happens and this will give much of that.
After dishing out multiples of $3-6,000 just for our machines this investment is the icing on the cake! A place to ride whenever and forever. You also asked "will they make anything over time?". Of course our desire is for everyone to purchase with useage as their primary intent. We all will have a marketable stake in the property. We can buy and sell individually or we can all vote to sell off the whole thing. I personally would buy and use (hold). Who knows what 10-20 yrs down the road could bring as a return-on-investment though. I think it's all good!
In response to MachineDog , we wouldn't be allowed to charge on a per usage basis. That would make this an operational business (instead of simple ownership) and the obstacles/liabilities would be tremendous. Our current technique is tough for municipalities to stop us from riding because it's our land we're riding on and we have that right. I've found no county that has prohibited the use of our own land for this purpose (with the exception of the city of "PALM BAY") Funny people they are. The city passed a law that (without coming out and saying it) requires approx 17.84 acres just to start your ATV (in the middle of the property) which is 500' from your nearest neighbor [pie r(squared)]. Who needs Palm Bay though. 400 + acres will resolve any of those issues.
To answer what I believe may be at the root of your question, we will be seeking out the ability to offer financing. Fractional ownership can be a bear to secure financing for, but we'll try.
One of the more recent statistics about ATV'rs in Florida is that there are 100's of thousands of us. We can easily open ownership riding areas all over Florida with a nominal investment. The majority of people who have signed up at our web site www.fl-atv.com with the desire to own their own riding land are from the areas I-4 and South. The north half of Fl still needs areas because we have plenty of folks in those areas but based on the majority our first group of facilities will be South.
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Where to Ride? / Re: I may have us a new place to ride .
June 11, 2006, 08:30:57 PM
hey Raptor660R, I didn't receive an email telling me there was a response here(sorry).
What I believe us as a group will buy into is around 400 or so acres. Fortunately, the price has been dropping in recent months. I believe we'll be able to find prices in the $10-14,000 dollar per acre range (roughly 4-6 million per riding facility). The real plus with what we're doing is everyone owns. They can sell, trade - whatever with their share of the land.
I believe we can support several riding areas we just need to join forces and open our first one. Then we can add more and those who purchased a little far from home initially can trade or sell out to buy into one closer to their home (or own into multiple locations).
I've found acreage that has been cleared...I'm sure we don't want that. I've also found (but haven't been able to research) 400+ wooded acres off Hwy27 near hwy 64 (near Sebring and Lake Placid).
For the heck of it...how does something like that sound to you (in the $3-4,000 per owner range)??
What I believe us as a group will buy into is around 400 or so acres. Fortunately, the price has been dropping in recent months. I believe we'll be able to find prices in the $10-14,000 dollar per acre range (roughly 4-6 million per riding facility). The real plus with what we're doing is everyone owns. They can sell, trade - whatever with their share of the land.
I believe we can support several riding areas we just need to join forces and open our first one. Then we can add more and those who purchased a little far from home initially can trade or sell out to buy into one closer to their home (or own into multiple locations).
I've found acreage that has been cleared...I'm sure we don't want that. I've also found (but haven't been able to research) 400+ wooded acres off Hwy27 near hwy 64 (near Sebring and Lake Placid).
For the heck of it...how does something like that sound to you (in the $3-4,000 per owner range)??
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Where to Ride? / Re: I may have us a new place to ride .
June 04, 2006, 04:23:44 PM
Hey folks, we (http://www.fl-atv.com) have enough people to start our first park. All we need to do is identify some land for a purchase. Our group will put it all together and it won't be temporary. Remember we're about fractional ownership FOREVER.
So, anyone who is aware of some real riding land "for sale" please let me know via email purchase@fl-atv.com
We'll take care of ourselves and create our own riding land.
So, anyone who is aware of some real riding land "for sale" please let me know via email purchase@fl-atv.com
We'll take care of ourselves and create our own riding land.
#8
Open Discussion / Re: I say it is time to Protest.
June 11, 2005, 09:15:23 AM
This problem is not going away and has been the song that we ATV'rs sing every day. I think we need to buy our own land. it's gonna be tough getting the state or anyone to just give us land. We are a large force in Florida and together we can make it happen.
The link below is a site set up for all who are interested in taking control of this problem. It may ultimately cost a few thousand for the purchase of lands around Florida but it'll be ours.
www.Fl-atv.com is still actively receiving sign ups for those who are interested in purchasing our own riding land. We're getting close to having the numbers and commitment from many riders for opening the first facility. We still need many more though. We have riders who have signed up over a year ago - committed riders to this cause. We can make this happen but we need everyone to PLEASE spread the word. The more riders we have signed up the less it'll cost everyone and the more facilities we can open.
nuf said - thanks
The link below is a site set up for all who are interested in taking control of this problem. It may ultimately cost a few thousand for the purchase of lands around Florida but it'll be ours.
www.Fl-atv.com is still actively receiving sign ups for those who are interested in purchasing our own riding land. We're getting close to having the numbers and commitment from many riders for opening the first facility. We still need many more though. We have riders who have signed up over a year ago - committed riders to this cause. We can make this happen but we need everyone to PLEASE spread the word. The more riders we have signed up the less it'll cost everyone and the more facilities we can open.
nuf said - thanks
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Open Discussion / Re: This is too funny
May 14, 2005, 05:23:42 PM
They had to resort to web advertising ever since the US took out their main customer - Sadam! 
#10
Where to Ride? / Re: My long boring first time at Big Scrub report.
April 05, 2005, 04:46:23 PM
like a gentleman sipping tea (but of course)
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Where to Ride? / Re: Satelite photos of the tsunami
January 11, 2005, 12:47:12 PM
Now don't say things like that. The picture of the island that was almost completeley washed away is "Banda Aceh Shore, Indonesia". I have the names of each location if you'd like...unless you were just kidding
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Where to Ride? / Satelite photos of the tsunami
January 08, 2005, 07:52:52 AM
We've uploaded some unfathomable satelite photo's of the devastation caused by the tsunami (before and after).
We (Florida) just went through 4 hurricanes and myself 2 direct hits. I know what we're still going through, but after viewing these photos..there's no words for it.
I know this isn't part of our forum subject, but I hope we all give ($$$) as we can to these folks....
The link for the photos is http://www.fl-atv.com. scroll down the left. The images are high res so they may take a moment to load.
We (Florida) just went through 4 hurricanes and myself 2 direct hits. I know what we're still going through, but after viewing these photos..there's no words for it.
I know this isn't part of our forum subject, but I hope we all give ($$$) as we can to these folks....
The link for the photos is http://www.fl-atv.com. scroll down the left. The images are high res so they may take a moment to load.
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Where to Ride? / Re: List of People to Contact for OHV Concerns
January 07, 2005, 05:16:08 AMQuoteA government of SPECIAL INTERESTS, for SPECIAL INTERESTS, by
SPECIAL INTERESTS
Well said.....
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Where to Ride? / Re: 2nd state atv park in Picayune plans
December 12, 2004, 11:54:56 AM
Gamer...good point. This is the first I've seen of it and the date at the top of the page says 12/12/04 (like it's brand new) but GregRancher's posting is 4 days ago...so unless he can see the future... what is our future Greg
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Where to Ride? / Re: Right Direction??
October 30, 2004, 07:22:21 AM
The good part is that the sign-ups are steady 
but we don't quite have enough folks for our first acquisition. Word of mouth and this forum has been very effective so far.
We'd like to send out post cards to every single ATV owner in Florida. The lists are tough to get. The dealers we've contacted are reluctant to let them out and the manufacturers haven't been consistent at returning phone calls by those who have the authority to assist :-/.
No doubt we will have parks around Florida but a little help from those who will benefit the most (manufacturers and dealerships) would be nice
.
As a group effort, should anyone visit a dealership that shows interest in our effort, please let me know so I can contact them and provide materials.
As always - Thanks - and keep the faith!
James Griffith
admin@fl-atv.com
but we don't quite have enough folks for our first acquisition. Word of mouth and this forum has been very effective so far.We'd like to send out post cards to every single ATV owner in Florida. The lists are tough to get. The dealers we've contacted are reluctant to let them out and the manufacturers haven't been consistent at returning phone calls by those who have the authority to assist :-/.
No doubt we will have parks around Florida but a little help from those who will benefit the most (manufacturers and dealerships) would be nice
.As a group effort, should anyone visit a dealership that shows interest in our effort, please let me know so I can contact them and provide materials.
As always - Thanks - and keep the faith!
James Griffith
admin@fl-atv.com
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Where to Ride? / Re: Right Direction??
October 28, 2004, 03:41:40 PM
every once in a while I see an opportunity to plug the www.fl-atv.com site for ATV land acquisitions. Check it out
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