ATV Florida Forum

  Was wondering if anyone has been out to Big Cypress lately and if it's wet out there around Monroe Station? I see that this web site looks like there's mostly hot dogging bike riders here.But theres no harm in asking. :)

i wont ever go back riding there agian, seems to always be deep water on the main trails, $50.00 fee 15mph speed limit,and now a new TREE HUGGER park director.  things look grim for rideing  there.........

Monroe Station trail is very dry. I rode it a few weeks ago all the way to the Oasis visitor center. Rode Concho Billy 1 week ago and completed the whole run, some water but passable.

Going to the Cypress tomorrow, Sunday 3/6 at 8:00am. Anyone else heading this way?? Have four 4X4 going to get stamped and then ride for the day.

I was in the Big Cypress all weekend. It is very dry. I noticed some things on my trip out yesterday that we need to be concerned with. In several of the smaller muddy places along the rock road (buckskin trail) I noticed that ATV's had used them for mud bogging and playing. You could clearly see where people had done doughnuts and run back and forth through the same place over and over again. Also, the rock road was getting berms again from ATV's taking the corners too fast. It was definitely from ATV's as you can see the inside and outside ruts along the berms and I've watched the ATV's run the road too fast.

The Big Cypress is not an ATV or Off Road park. It is not a place for recreational sport riding. Yes, you can ride an ATV in the swamp, but you must follow the rules. The 15 mph speed limit will be enforced in the event a ranger sees you exceeding it. You cannot ride doubles legally. I saw people doing it this weekend and niether were wearing a helmet. You have to meet the age limit to ride. I believe it is 16 years old with a driver's license.

Another very important thing that needs to be addressed is private property within the Big Cypress. I spoke with a camp owner who said that a few weeks ago, he pulled into his camp to find a bunch of guys on ATV's sitting around his camp, running his water pump hosing off their ATV's and themselves. They were treating it like it was their own place or as if they "found/discovered it" on thier little adventure.

Other camp/property owners have reported similar experiences the most disturbing of which involves ATV's using a back woods air strip as a drag strip and doing doughnuts on the same. People use these air strips on a regular basis. Why do you think they maintain them so well? On the majority of them, there are cones set up around the edges as a reminder to stay outside the cones and off of the air strip itself. Still other camp owners have reported cabins broken into, supplies opened or missing, slight vandalism all combined with ATV tracks in and out of camp.

The Big Cypress has a new superindendent who is completely anti ORV. She would like nothing better than to seal off the Everglades from anyone who does not own property inside it. The park rangers will readily tell you that the vast majority of the problems they have are with people on ATV's using the Big Cypress as a recreational ORV park. This opinion is spreading to the camp/property owners deep within the Big Cypress as well.

Keep in mind, these camps are not like the ones you can buy for under $10k in River Ranch. A camp in the everglades will cost you in excess of $100,000.00 (some more than $200,000.00) if you can even find someone to sell. So, if you see a camp in the distance, just stay clear. It is on private property and chances are the owners are not going to be happy to see you or real impressed with the fact you made it that far into the Everglades on a four wheeler.

I get flamed all the time when I post for being too negative or only saying bad things about ATV's. I expect someone will simply read this post and take a narrow minded approach and flame me on this on too. Keep in mind, if I didn't care, I wouldn't bring it up. I'd just keep silent and watch as ATV's are dealth yet another blow. Anyone who's read my prior posts knows I will not sugar coat things. I post it the way it is. If you don't like it, don't blame me. Do something to change the facts.

never rode there, but I've been out to camps on an airboat with the property owners.  Your post is all good in my book. This is an open forum and as long as your within the rules/guidelines any point of view is allowed. the post seemed pretty informative to me as a atv rider. [smiley=deal.gif]

The unfortunate thing is that Big Cypress is the only place to legally ride ORV's here in South Florida.  Being that it's posted on DOF's website people may think that it is an ORV park.  I don't think Big Cypress has a rule for helmets.  Being that the speed limit is only 15 mph I wouldn't wear one.  If there was a helmet rule everyone would have to wear them including people in buggies since there considered ORV's also.  It is upsetting to hear that people are messing up the trails and in the camps.  I have a feeling its people that are not permitted to be in there and don't have permits.  The bottom line is we have been paying for Titleing fees for a couple years now and we have not seen any new places to ride down here.  I bet you now that Bad Luck Prairie is closed you are going to see a huge increase of ATV traffic in Big Cypress.

Gamer:

Thanks for the comments; I think you're right.  With the closing of Bad Luck, I'm afraid traffic will increase in the Big Cypress. Hopefully it will not get abused the way Bad Luck was abused. People can say what they want, but the reason Bad Luck was closed was because of the increased use and extreme damage to the land. Combined with a general "who cares" attitude from many of the people using the Bad Luck area and it's easy to see why it happened.

Personally, I am glad that the Big Cypress is such a pain to get into. I mean, you have to get your ORV inspected, get one of the limited number of ORV permits, get the license, watch the video, trailer in and out (unless you park on private property) access only on a few limited trails, maintain a speed limit, stay on the trails (which only go a short way into the swamp) and then ride 15 mph and contend with water that is over 4 feet deep in most places after the rains start. With this in mind, most people who venture into the swamp have a strong desire to be there and treat it with respect.

I cannot understand the weekend warrior type that drives into the swamp and goes off the marked trail without a GPS or supplies. I've posted before about finding a father and son hopelessly lost on their old ATV's with no GPS and miles from where they thought they were. If we did not find them, there is a very good chance they would have been in serious trouble.

People need to understand that the Big Cypress is not a weekend ATV friendly place. This is especially true for sport quads. If you must go into the Big Cypress (and I've said this before), know where you are going, carry a GPS and know how to use it, make sure you have extra supplies and fuel, tell someone where you are going and most of all, have some respect. Folks can beat their chest all they want and brag about the readiness of their quad and their superior outdoor abilities. Let me tell you something, the Big Cypress is not a joke and can humble even the best of outdoorsmen.

Well said anorigional. We can only hope things stay as they are and nobody breaks the rules of the Feds. The rangers were out and enforcing the 15mph and double riders. Found a couple on the Concho Billie trail hiding in the woods waiting for people breaking the rules. Stopped by and chatted with them for a while. Nice people but as you said the new superintendent has No Tolerance for anyone breaking the rules and has told the rangers to enforce every rule without any warnings. As dry as it is out there it is very tempting to go off trail but they are out watching and pulling the decals off the quads and buggies on the spot. Watched two people loose their decals after having them for two hours. Riding off trails and making ruts in a grass area that has never felt a wheel. Thet deserved it and they were escourted out. So watch out, and stay on the trails.  Anyway, we spotted lots of deer and turkeys which was nice to see. And gators were everywhere on the canal banks. It was a nice day. Cannot imagine it was as dry as it was but it won't be for long. Then the real fun begins. ;D  

Big Cypress is a beautiful place and my favorate place to ride. As far as non permitted riders, with the new gates installed you must have the combo to get in. I think this has kept most of the non permitted users out. So the abusers are us. What is happening is expected and should have been easy to predict. Big Cypress is all we have left and that is going to be too much pressure on one area. I am sure that new restrictions are right around the corner. I hope I am wrong because for me, BC is my ultimate stress releaver. Check out the Photo area for a few recent pics.  

I do have to agree, you usually are negative. I think that this is negative but on the part of the people doing the wrong. This was very informative and well said. Were you riding a quad when you were in BC ? What quad did you buy ? I was wondering if you will be going to Muds, Sweat and Gears ? If you meet and ride with people from this site, you would see that most of us respect the land. Hope to see you on the next group ride.

   Well, after reading all these postings I'm exhausted. Sker_dude thanks for the info. It was very dry out there, and where is Concho Billy's trail? We left Monroe Station and rode 55 miles Saturday. Boy thats the most we have ever rode in B.C. in a day. By night fall we were all to tried to set up the tent(biggest mistake not setting up first). So we opened up the tent and sleeped under it. All the beers didn't help with motivation ethier. Sunday was much nicer on use. We rode about 3 miles north of Poppenhagers ,and headed East, ending up at the Visitor Center.Seen not one turkey.
  Anoriginal I liked your posts. Its good to say what you believe in, even if it stirs things up. All my experiences have been good, so far in B.C. I always go as perpared as possibly. Having the mind set that if all else fails, me and the compass will walk out slowly. So it's hardly ever there's a bad day riding. Hopefully nobody has to walk out of there because that place is HUGE. And Anoriginal I'm hoping you'll reply to customrubicon.Was wondering some of the things he ask. :)

Concho Billy is off Turner River Road. Check out their web site and you can down load a ORV map which will show you the trail. Be warned, even in the dry season, the last 6-7 mile of the north end off Concho can be very deep water and lots of mud. You wont hit it until the end off your ride when you are the most tired and low on fuel and so are commited to finishing the trail. Start early and bring spare fuel in case you must turn back and ride over 20 mile back the way you came in. Been there and done that.

Custom, Everglades:

Thanks for the comments and questions. I am currently deciding on what new ATV to buy  myself. I am torn between the Grizzly and the Brute Force. I've owned just about anything you can think of and these days I enjoy electric start, reverse and big comfy seats.

I was on my buggy this past weekend and had been up to my camp for the weekend. I probably won't be heading to Mud Sweat and Gears, its not really my thing. I'm sure it is fun and I hope anyone that goes has a great time.

I think you're right, the majority of the ATV crowd has a great deal of respect for the outdoors. Unfortunately, in our sport the bad apples really seem to shine through.

Everglades - Where did you end up camping?

To Anoriginal,

Now that I have a head ache from reading all of your chicken scratch, why don't you save some time and not write all of the same old stuff that has been said about a select few people that do not obey the law. We have all  heard it before about a thousand times. I cannot imagine someone driving a couple of hours down there and just riding in a mud puddle next to the road. Most of the stuff you are talking about is being done by people that live right there. As for the using and breaking in of other peoples property, that stuff is happening at every wildlife management area in the state of florida. Corbbitt area has the same problems you are talking about and does not allow atv's. So to try and blame atvers for the problems in big cypress is not right.  

wilburz,

Actually you're wrong for several reasons.

First, nobody "lives right there". The Everglades and the access points are about as remote as it gets in Florida.

Second, unfortunately the facts show that the largest offenders in the Big Cypress are ATV riders. As far as the break ins go, every one that we've come across and solved has been by people on ATV's. Also, we've caught people on ATV's in camps without permission. These were weekend warriors who had no business being there.

Finally, if you don't like my "chicken scratch" don't read it. Fact is, unless the ATV crowd starts policing itself, Big Cypress will be off limits to ATVs just like Corbett. It sounds like you ride and love it. I hope you'll join in and help paint a better name for us in the Big Cypress.

I am talking about people that live close to the so called "access points". I don't live anywhere close to them but you and alot of other do.

You talk about the breakins like you were there with your buddies and actually solved some of them like the freakin scoobie doo club. Are you a cop or what? You also state that you caught people in camps. Now if you are not a cop or ranger then you probably observed people doing these things. What did you do to these people once you caught them?

I think you are singling out a crowd for something that others on buggies, tracked vehicles and just regular trucks are responsible for. Where are you getting your atv facts from? I would like to know exactly where we can read these things you mentioned about atv'ers doing down there. I don't beleive you.      

Wilburz:

Easy there lucky. I live over 3.5 hours away from the glades. As far as people living close by......there aren't any. The glades is basically deserted.

Also, tracked vehicles and regular trucks are not allowed in the Big Cypress. Finally, It's kind of hard not to solve something when you drive into camp and find 5 ATV's in your yard and their owners sitting inside your camp or using your facilities.

As far as backup data, call the Big Cypress Oasis Ranger Station and talk to them. They'll tell you all you want to know.

Finally, I'm not pointing the fingers at ATV riders. Unfortunatly, with as much negative press as ATVs get these days, a few bad apples can really do a lot of damage. I'd hate  to see Big Cypress become a no-ATV place.

I love hiting mud puddles at 30-40mph and slinging roosters and dounuts all up in the mud don't you Anoriginal ?

Dakota:

Absolutely! As long as I'm doing it in the right place. ;)

I dont see how were tearing land up. Just doesnt make sense to me.

I would guess that about 90% of Buggy owners have atv's also so keep talking. Who's to blame again?    ???

1fast:

You're missing the point by a mile. It isn't about any imaginary fued between buggy owners and ATV owners. Also, most of the guys I know with buggies in the BC do not own ATV's too.

The point is how we as ATV riders are percieved in the BC and what we can do to change it. Don't get mad, get involved.

Dear Unlucky,

So sorry to hear about your misfortune. I am sorry that you have not had the kind of positive experiences the people here on this site have had when out riding.

Post some positive information that might inspire someone to do the right thing, not about your heroism!

:'(

;D

I am one of the luckiest people I know and feel thankful everyday for my life. As far as being a hero, I'm not. Unless you count the time a got my aunt's cat out of a tree.

Anorignal, Im not mad i was just reading some more about BC because I might want to ride out there one day and what do I read? More of the same tone that you allways have. How all other atv riders are the ones ruining it for the Buggy owners and messing up the land and trails so on and so forth. No flaming . All atv riders are the  [smiley=EvilSmile.gif]and the buggy riders are all  [smiley=angel.gif]   Sorry if I miss your point. I guess I was cornfused by your facts.  You better get out there and try to stop them people your self because telling your story here will only make you  [smiley=banghead.gif]  

1fast:

Please don't misquote me. I've never said the ATV riders are ruining it for the buggy owners or that they are evil or ruining it for everyone else, etc. As far as my tone, I'm really not sure what you mean. I'm just telling you how it is in the Big Cypress. In the end, it only impacts the people who don't own property in the Big Cypress yet wish to ride inside it's boundaries. I just hate to see ATV riders marred by a few bad apples.

Is there a quote in there that I didnt see? Im just telling you that every time I read one of your post they all say the same thing about atv's in the BC.  Facts? Yes Im sure most are because your right there is a lot of bad apples out there. But not all are on atv's. Your first post was atv's this and atv's that. Let me tell you this. Next time someone thats out there on an atv in BC that has read this topic should find some damage by a buggy or a truck should speek up because I bet that goes on as well.  Then we can all talk about that. I will hand it to you. You dont point fingers but you sure beat around the bush with it all the time.


When I read your post thats the fealing I get and Im sure that others do as well.
What else would we do if there were no atvflorida to have discussions on.... ;)

EvergladesRancher, sorry for highjacking your thread with Anoriginal.  Maybe you can get some usefull info with our discussion.   :-/      :)

How does such a junior member have such vast knowledge about BC? This dude is an imposter. He is probably a old member that was kicked out once his true intentions were discovered. Where is the guy from? He does not have one useful piece of info on his bio. What kind of bike ya got? I bet he does not even own an atv. Probably one of those bird watchers trying to fit in where he don't get in.

This guys B.S. does not even belong in this 'where to ride' section. Matter of fact it should not even be on this site. Only reason it is here is because there is a remote chance someone will respond to his hypcracy.  He has all the facts, right. None of his buggy owning friends have atv's so that means all buggie owners have no atvs.  I have never heard such nonsense.

1fast:

You're still missing the point by leaps and bounds. I do not dispute that there are tons of idiots on buggies in the Big Cypress. I've seen them time and time again. I do what I can to educate them and try to get them to treat the Big Cypress with the respect it deserves.

Your comments on getting someone to point out damage by Buggies so we can discuss it next time is ridiculous. It is not a buggies verses ATV issue. The issue, (and one all ATV riders should be concerned with) is the perception of the ATV riders by the Big Cypress Preserve officials and the other "powers that be".

As far as your allegations that I "beat around the bush", you're wrong. I tell it just like it is. I know that there are bad apples in every bunch regardless if it is ATV's Buggies, Jet Ski's , whatever. The problem we have in the Big Cypress is an obvious anti-ATV opposition that is powerful enough to squeeze us out all together.

If you think these comments are negative, you're absolutely right! However, the negativity is NOT directed to ATV's, it is directed at the state of things in the Big Cypress and how it will eventually negatively impact us unless we do somethign to change it.

It really shouldn't be so hard for you to figure this out and I sincerely hope you understand.


Willburz:

I grew up in the Everglades and spend as much time there as I possibly can. I own bikes now and have owned more than my fair share over the years. Your deductions on buggy owners owning ATV's or not is totally off the issue. Moreover, you and 1fast250r seem to have a striking misconception realtive to this being some type of contest between buggy owners and ATV riders. It's not.
I've never been on this site with anything other than this name. I constantly go to bat for our sport and spent time recently talking to the new "trail boss" for the Big Cypress about the future use of ATV's in the Big Cypress. Nice guy, had a lot of interesting ideas.
In case you didn't know, Big Cypress is in a state of flux. We've got a new superintendent coming in who successfully outlawed PWC's at her last National Park gig. If you think for one minute she won't immediately start going after ATV's in the Big Cypress, well... you're lost. Once she gets settled in, she'll come straight at us. If you are so concerned about your sport, I suggest you quit whining at me because I stated truths that somehow offended your ego and start looking for ways to help.

I am right on this and many of you know it. If you don't like what I say, don't blame me, I'm just letting you know what's going on. If I am such a jerk and don't care about ATV's, why would I tell everyone what the problems are? If I was so anti ATV, the thing for me to do would be to keep my mouth shut to all of you, agree with the Park Service when they start flying the "no more ATV flag" and sit back and watch everyone lose another place to ride.

So, beat your chest, flex the mighty ego, call me names, flame me all you want. I'm on your side and you're too caught up in yourself to see it. Perhaps you should try and think of ways to help us keep the Big Cypress open.

 [smiley=Cry.gif]I say the next group ride should be at Big Cypress
we can lie claim on bear Island !!!rename it beer island...lol don't worry its almost wet season and you won't have to deal with those pestky atv ::)...do you really think the idiots that are your so called bad apples are going to read your long repetive posts?
I think your barking up the wrong tree trying to educate us on this website. Ive met lots of people from atv florida, and they are not the people you should be telling this too...why don't you write the editor of   DisorderFla times, see if they will listen.thanks or start your own website, I got a name picked out for you.....BrokenaxlegiantrutsleakingoilSwampbuggyflorida.com

 i agree with anoriginal just look at whats happen in south florida. macs, lost lake, holiday park, east side of 27, bird road, the squares, the praire, west palm beach, and the hump all r closed because of injury or death,and disrespect i am a junior member son, i have been riding these swamps for more than 35 years its not the atv but the large minority that ride them i have to ride stealth because of all the inconsderate and desrespectfull riders  

Meathead, thanks.

OneSlow:

I see. Since none of your friends or for that matter, anyone on this site, is part of the problem, we shoudl do nothing to try and improve our image as a whole to the Park Service.

Makes perfect sense.

I do believe that swamp buggies and trucks did more damage then atvs...can't remember the last time I ran over a cypress tree or left a 4ft rut or ran over a junk car ...that must be those bad apples on those atvs...no you are right there are alot of atvs that had to do with the prarie closing down...yea   alot of them came from  east coast  with there banshee's and lack of helmets ...drag racing down miller...but that area was a lost cause even before that so it doesnt matter

it wasnt just the people from the east coast but it proberly was a majority which i hate to admit

I do understand what you are saying Mr Anoriginal We are trying  to do some thing about it . Members from this site and my family did a cleanup ride in Ocala National Forest last month to show our good will.

I was  also speaking to one of our members to see if we could maybe adopt a trail to keep it clean.

Grizz

Anoriginal,  Your my hero. Good luck with the Big Cypress and all your non atv owner buggy friends out there.  Anyone that uses this area for there pleasure should look you up. That way they know everything that there is to know about this place.

              The Good, The Bad , and the Anoriginal  


              Im 1fast250r and I approve this message

Anoriginal, It look to me that you are a Ranger for one of the parks. Just an idea! Open a park for ATV, we pay to use it, the Ranger get off there lazy a$$ and ticket or throw out the people that doesnt respect the law. By closing the riding area. the state is forcing me to ride in unsafe area with my family. I we gladly pay to use a area that is safe for my family.I been in BC for many years. I remember the airplane that was on the building.I remember monroe station when it was gulf station, Loop road when it wasnt paved.thats give you idea how long I been going to BC.

I must be seeing things. Did you say at the end of this post that your not pointing fingers at ATV riders? Go back and read the first paragraph of your post from 3-7-05 at 9:53 AM.  Maybe I read it wrong.Let me know if I did.Thanks.

Do you have ANY horror stories about buggies or trucks or are all the bad stories about ATVs? Just curious.

But....But.... CABLEGUT1 your missing the point by leaps and bounds.   Its not that hard to figure out.... ???

Just a waist of some freash air over here. You cant argue with this guy because he only states facts and if his post are negitive they are supposed to be.   Its funny I think that some people have all the answers to the questions.

Here is a question for you.  What can you do to make it a better place? Besides try to tell us atvers that we have "dealth yet another blow"   [smiley=Confused.gif]

Keith, I can tell you many horror stories about buggies before there were ATV out at BC. Anoriginal, remember the Wild Hog BBQ and the reason that it no long around. :-/ All the drunks on there buggies at night. :-/ One of my best friends has a camp on the sw side of loop road and the only people that break into it are Hunters, not ATV rider .Anoriginal, remember the Wild Hog Head over the counter at Monroe Station. The picture of the little boy who shot that 260lb Hog. That little boy was me! Or maybe you are not old enough to remember this entire thing. So when you say (I grew up in the Everglades and spend as much time there as I possibly can) you are not the only one!

the B.C facts, its been raining all day in SFL. and summer season is comming, and with the EVERGLADS restoration under way in a few yrs. there will be no {dry season} it wiill always be flooded, it will be come a BUGGY AREA only. because of the high water.  so really it doesnt matter what happens!!  is B.C a ATV park?NO but with all the ATVs sale a money that was collected from the TITLE FEES and the state promised to open 4 ATV parks yrs  ago . i feel the ATVERS are getting riped off!!!  in the last 2 yrs we lost more places to ride and the state has takeing in more $$$$$$$$ . so you have to ask yourself before you ride B.C  what kind of riding do you like before you to spend $50.00 + $35.00 = maybe 3months of riding+ the ATV ranger cops, 15mph speed limit. and alot of hassle. or go to ATV areas only {ICROSS} where it is a go for broke  place NO RULES. you pay $15.00 and play! :-* dont get me wrong i have hunting the B.C , it is a very nice area, but with the new pregnant dog in charge of the place a know TREE HUGGER  it a lost hope!!!!!!  there will be more fines &fees you spill a drop of gas and if caught you will be fined. i think everyone should start call the GOV BUSH and demanding a TITLE REFUND or ask where are the 4 ATV parks ??    in the mean time  STOP THE ATV TITLE SCAM dont title your used ATV !!!!!!  not until there is a place to ride !!!! >:(

You know what, you're all correct, there are tons and tons of horror stories about buggies. 1fast, you make a joke out of missing the point like it's hard to grasp. The truth is, you're making this into a buggies verses ATV issue and its not.

CABLEGUY:

My family has been in the BC long before Calvin Stone ever set foot in it and before the loop road even had a name. We've always stayed out of the sportsman's club because of the abundance of drunks and idiots it seems to attract. Also, I wasn't pointing fingers at ATV's I was just telling what I saw and heard.

Bigdaddy:

I'm not a ranger. I can tell you that I do spend a lot of time paying attention to what the attitude is in the BC towards ORV use. This means buggies and ATV's. Some suggestions might be calling the Oasis and asking about scheduling a trail clean up. If they turn us down, keep pestering them so that they know we as ATV riders are concerned about the BC and our sport. Grizz was right on with his post, the concern shown at ONF is getting attention and will be remembered. I think it is great that he and many of the board members took time to have fun and give somethign back to the ONF.

Some of you may absolutely hate what I post, and that really doesn't bother me. The sad part is that, if my posts aggravate you, you're either not taking the time to read them carefully or you're letting your ego get in the way. If you think I am aggravating and have my facts together, wait till you encounter one of the Sierra Club's hired mouth pieces at a Dept. of the Interior meeting to discuss upcoming ORV plan implementation. These people come loaded for bear and they are hyper organized.

On this board, I get treated like the guy who tells you to start saving money when you're 18. You think the guy is full of it or being too critical and negative. So, you don't take his advice and spend like mad. Later on, you find yourself looking back and thinking, "hey, I sure wish I saved when I was 18".  Now is the time to start saving in the Big Cypress. You want a new place to ride? You want to preserve the places you have now? Polish the ATV image as a whole. Look at the FTR group as an example. Extremely well organized, professionally run, outstanding public attitude and the list goes on. What's stopping us? As I see it, ego's, childishness, denial and lack of enthusiasm.

I'll leave it at this. 1fast, Wilburz and the others who laugh me off, go ahead. I'll not respond any longer. I won't post any longer and I will not go to bat for us any longer. I'll keep my mouth shut when the trail boss is taking suggestions on the ORV plan and I will refrain from making any suggestions to him or the superintendant on how ATV's can be properly managed and utilized in the Big Cypress. Maybe BC is like ONESlow said of the Prairie, "already a lost cause".

Laugh you off?  What you need is better social skills. Then maybe you would get more respect on this site. Go back and read you first topic on this subject or hell go to any of you post and read them over.  The way you come off is like a Jackazz.  Black and White.  Im not into name calling but you will continue to get flamed here if you keep responding the way you do.  
Most of the people on this site have great respect when it comes to ORV use or ATV riding anywhere they go.

Is not a Buggy.. v.. ATV's thing . Its your way of words.  

Short and sweet.  I will not respond to your thaughts anymore.    Good luck with the respect on atvflorida.

Im done... ;)  

I'll drink to that !!! [smiley=drink.gif]


    DR Walum

don't worry about us atvers we'll be fine. It is inevitable that Atvs
will be banned from BC .  Atvs have have had a bad wrap since 1982!
But don't worry its only a matter of time before those treehuggers start in on BC. After Badluck prarie is finshed whats next?you might be next!
Myself I would rather not share a ridding area with  buggies.
most of those concraptions don't have brakes.
so goodluck and thank you for your efforts

   Bottom line as I see it.  We better start policing ourselves (atvers and buggy owners) as the rangers and tree huggers are just waiting in the wings (or bushes as the case may be) to close down where ever they can.
  Just think no-one really policed bad luck for a long time and whoa, what ammunition they had to use when they decided to close it down.   The sit back and let them destroy themselves method of closing public access is used by environmental groups all accross the country.   If we don't pluck the bad apples ourselves,  we lose, period!

B.C is a WAR that has been lost for us for a long time!  stop beating a DEAD DOG!!! the praire is gone to . even if the prarie was open in a few years it will be flooded with water all year around with the resto project. STOP THE B.S FL ATV TITLE SCAM!!!!!!!!!!

So much energy spent beating each other up. Save a little for riding in the Big Cypress. www.BigCypressSwamp.com
Steve  

  Anyone ride Concho Billie lately,or hunting there this year.

Wilburz you have chimed in and made yourself look like an absolute moron. Aboriginal and JupiterSteve have more time in the Cypress than you will ever have. Do us all a favor and keep your hillbilly *** out the Cypress.

That link is over 3 years old dude! So what are you talking about me being a hillbilly? It has only taken you 3 years to catch up on the reading here. And since you like to call people names here you go. You are the absolute dumbest person on the planet! And the guys name is Anoriginal not aboriginal! Learn how to read and spell! You obviously don't get out of your double wide much, do you? And I have never been down there and do not have any plans to. So you stay down in Dade county where you belong.       

Yes its real deep. If you dont have a 4x4 with some Outlaws you will most probably get stuck once or twice out there. There are alligators all over the trails also. Be careful!

  I,ve been out there the last 5 years .only had an ATV last year,water was deeper than I've seen.Saw alot of ATV's last year ,Just hate hunting out there without knowing other people are around.Got a flat on a buddys buggy and spent the night out in the middle of nowhere,4 years ago.

  Have a pemit for 2nd week of gen gun and will be hunting untill next permit

Hunt during the week to avoid the crowds. I have a Turner River and Bear Island permit. My best spots are down south though.  ;)

  Dang! didn't mean to start anything,just lookin for riders or hunters

No harshness intended Critterdog. I'd love to join you in the cooler times of the year. It's still a bit to hot for me now. If you do go I'm always wondering how high the water is? Oh do you know if all B.C. is trail riding only now? I like to stay off the beaten path.

 Everyone I saw were turning off the trail ,I think they built the trail to cut down on prairie riding everyone I know that have buggies go down the trail and cut off.I'll be registering my ride soon and will find out.

Cool I used to go from Monroe Station. There it used to be like ride 2 miles from The Trail and ride anywhere but the parries (grassy parts). Which I love that. Yea your going to sit down and watch a fine movie before your adventure. Just be careful how much you listen to the rangers....at one point they were going to stop coon hunting in B.C. because they said there were no raccoons there. Since no one ever listed a coon during hunting season....friend of mine was a ranger out there told me that story.

Are you the same EvergladesRancher on High Lifter? Would your name be Bryan?

No it isn't. I had that name before and stop going to that site...so I lost it.