ATV Florida Forum

 :pig.gif I have started this poll to see peoples opinions on hunting, as a lot of policies and laws that affect hunting also directly affect ATV riders, and vice versa. I noticed in the "God" thread, that hunting and animal rights came into the discussion, so rather than hi-jack the holy thread, I started a new one. This poll covers no particular type of hunting, just hunting in general. Let me know your thoughts.

If its brown its going down!

I like to group the anti-hunters with the tree huggers. They both just like to whine alot and blow smoke up peoples arses.

My life basically revolves around hunting.

grew up with hunters,,,,personally am not patient enough and would rather sit in a tree stand to get a really good picture of a deer instead of a really good chili,,,but that's just my thoughts.

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Hey blastrnirik do you honestly think that this site is the best place to get a balanced answer to this poll? - A southern based website that is focussed on the outdoors.
 
Posting it here, is one step above running this poll in field and stream. The results are going to be predictable.

Perhaps you are having some doubts that sitting in a tree all day waiting to blast a deers head off is not as manly as you want to think it is. This forum is probably the best place to reassure you though.

  Hey Paul_S, how are you today my old friend. Yes, I feel it is a fine place to get a balanced answer. I am not looking for a national average, as those statistics are readily available from any national Hunting or Anti-Hunting organization. (Although, keep in mind, each group "massages" these figures to meet their own agendas). I was just curious after our last exchange of opinions what the feeling was amongst the other people on this site.
  I don't think the results will be predictable, as I was pretty surprised by the resulting discussions from the "God" thread, and the "Homosexuals at the Ford Dealer" thread. I think it is a generalization to think that because we ride ATV's and live in the south, that everybody on here is a hunter. Heck the majority of the people in this state are not southern at all, as they are transplants from up north. Just read the thread from a few weeks ago about where everyone is from.
I have no doubts about my beliefs in hunting. And you should know that there is more to hunting than "sitting in a tree waiting to blast a deers head off". How about trying to call in a Wild Turkey or a flock of Ducks? Or, better yet come on to Ocala and we'll take 5 or 6 Catahoula Leopard Hounds out and catch, alive, a 300 to 400 pound Wild Boar Hog.  :pig.gif  I'll even let you pet it. LOL.
  I see that you are trying to provoke me by questioning my "manliness", and my need to "reassure" it. Really, all it does, is make me laugh. If you really want to question "what I'm made of", ride on over to Ocala, and I'll be happy to show you. I'll even buy the cold beverages.       

I personally dont hunt. I dont mind that others do hunt.  I am niether for or against. I do avoid hunting area's during hunting season when I ride if that means anything.

Finally Paul-S is here. There are anti-hunters on this site just like yourself. You are apparently uneducated about the ways of preserving wildlife. I won't try to explain it to a pathetic tree hugger like yourself. or maybe you are one of those bird watchers? You probably like to sit out in a flower bed in your banana hammock and watch hummingbirds fly dont you? Or maybe you like to sit around and watch the View with your fellow antis? Your a dork!

Oh yah, and I would much rather drive around in a buggie while drinking excesively until a little doe runs out in front and I can run it over. Saves the earth from getting lead poisoning!

You don't know nothing about me, d*ckwad. Are you one of those tough guy typers?

Someone has a different upbringing than you then they are pathetic, or a dork. You should really be more careful about what you type, and who you are typing it to, I am neither of those things and one day you may have to back up your comments tough guy.

im for hunting not for hunting down an alligator,snake, or any other creature just because you built your house on their habitat and it ate you or your lil dog. if you dont like or feel safe around wildlife move back to NY!!!!!!!!!! >:(

Hey blastrnirik, I am sure you are not gay, I do feel hunting is though, but thats just my opinion, I am sure the inbreds get mad if someone has an opinion different from their's, but I don't categorize you with them.

Would share a beer with you anytime, let you know if we get down there anytime soon. Offer is open to you if you come up to the Osceola forest - or anywhere in N. Fl. to ride.

I don't care if someone hunts as long as they eat whatever they kill. I think it's stupid to kill a nice 10 point only to stick it on a fuggin wall.  :-\
What a waste.

-Mark

You said you don't think it is too manly to sit in a tree and blow a deers head off, did'nt you? I know that about you. Thats enough for me. Sound like you are the anti hunter type. That is what all punk-arsed anti hunters think, that hunters just sit around waiting to blow somethings head off. Sorry I called you a dork. Maybe that was a little strong. Also sounds like you are the tough guy, with all that tough guy talk. I am also carefull about what I type. So your words are not at all frightening me.  I also have mad skills with a bow-staff!  

Not trying to frighten anyone. You call me names I am not going to just let it go.

Just to clear this up, if you don't like hunting, you are a punk-arsed anti-hunter?

Also please keep your staff away from me,  I know what you hunters like to do with your "bow" staffs.

Wow, you guys are really having it out. But as for me I dont give a rats a** about shooting something. But im not aginst it either. I know hunting is just as important to them as fourwheeling or fishing is to me. I just dont have the heart to shoot a deer walking through the woods. Now if my family was going hungary and bambi happen to cross the stream infront of me then it would be a different story. But i do have something to say about your argument, Paul, not everyone from the south is a backwards inbred moron that thinks that there way is always right. Although there are some that are like that, the majority of us aren't. So dont come down here and start pointing fingers and calling names cause we got pleny of names to call you if you want it that way.

Alright. So to clear this up - You are against hunting right? Even with the rules and regulations set forth by the state of Florida? Do you eat beef? Ever seen how a slaughter house is run?

Wow this is why people don't post very much on this site opposed to how much they read.

"So dont come down here and start pointing fingers and calling names cause we got pleny of names to call you if you want it that way."

Let's see...... "I won't try to explain it to a pathetic tree hugger like yourself. or maybe you are one of those bird watchers? You probably like to sit out in a flower bed in your banana hammock and watch hummingbirds fly dont you? Or maybe you like to sit around and watch the View with your fellow antis? Your a dork!"     or    "Sound like you are the anti hunter type. That is what all punk-arsed anti hunters think"

Do you really think those comments are fine but mine are not?  I guess that is ok, or he can say anything but I can't retaliate? Not in my world.

FYI I don't think everyone in the South is an inbred moron, but they certainly exist and someone insulting me like that because I have a different opinion from him certainly would fit the profile. I have lived in Fl for 20 years and know and are friends with plenty of Southerners.

yeah huntin is cool.used to hunt wild hogs all the time but haven't been in years.I think huntin with dogs is for sissies.get out there and hunt if your gonna don't sit around waitin for a dog to chase somethin towards you.IMO

You would have to better define against hunting.  I like animals so I would never go out of my way to kill one for fun. I think it is barbaric. If you enjoy it though - good luck to you.  Don't expect my approval though.

Do I like eating beef though - hell yeah.

If that sounds hypocritical to you, so be it, I am 44 years old and I really don't care what you think.

I don't hunt and never will but like someone else said as long as you eat what you kill and do it legally I don't have a problem with it. 

If you eat what you kill go ahead. I myself would hunt if given the oppurtunity. It's a chance to get back to your roots and just like riding quads, can be a family activity.

"Can't we just all get along?" :'( :'( :'( LOL
Alright, everybody settle down. I didn't start this little discussion on an open forum to create "friction" and have everybody wanting to talk s#@t and fight. Everybody's entitled to their own personal opinion, and that's what I'm looking for, either way, for or against. I was really hoping one the hardcore envro's would answer because they are particularly fun to get riled up >:D. Iknow, because my sister in law is a super duper animal rights activist, PETA member, etc., and every chance I get, I get into it with her  :gh. Also, where are the Christian guys from the "GOD" thread who were saying that hunting is sinful? I would like some more info on that train of thought, and they seemed more than willing to discuss...

P.S.- I don't know what kind of hogs you hunted diablo, but I've personally seen a 500 pound Boar kill 8 bad azz, Catahoula Leopards and Pitbulls in one fight. He then knocked one man down and mauled him SEVERELY, and cut/bit all the fingers off of another mans right hand. He then charged the truck and punched several holes in the sheet metal with his cutters, which were 5" long, before he was finally shot. No sissy hunting here. The hogs we hunt don't "run torwards you". They run to a spot that they like, and then turn to fight, which is where we go in to catch them - alive. All of this is usually at night. Definately not for sissies.  ;)    

the dog thing was more for deer hunting,I know those hogs are bad azz .I saw a car that got totaled by one that t-boned it running across the road.luckily we never encountered any that big in the woods

Don't expect to much open discussion, seems like on this forum you disagree with the bully's and you get jumped on. Can't imagine most people having the time or inclination to put up with the abuse.

Oh, heck Paul, take it all with a grain of salt. It's the internet, it don't mean nothin'. When I log off of here, I sleep just fine. You have to admit though, it's fun to read some of the posts. This thread is pretty mild, but that "God" thread, or those "Homosexual" discussions get pretty fun to watch. The religious guys are my favorite, because they're extremely dedicated to their opinions/beliefs.

Blastrnirik, I am up for some fun and/or some "good hearted" name calling (look at my Avatar - I have a massive target on my back already, as an English guy in the US for the last 20 years I have have been called it all), or I would happily debate content of the thread it would probably be interesting, but after reading this and some of the other threads, do you think that anyone without a southern flag waving opinion would want to risk getting involved.

Don't worry, I sleep real good too.

Hey the brothers on this site might not like that comment!        Men hunt because their making up for having a small dic_ .  ;)

But I do hunt beaver, does that count!

some others will not like this 1  about size

I agree with trx#9 beaver huntin is the best huntin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is not what _____ said.

i personally dont hunt unless i go with someone for the heck of it. im not against it though. its kinda fun to go look for somethin to shoot at since you cant shoot at people. if you want to go hunt then have at it. i hope you kill somethin when you go. i hate peta and all the tree huggers and bird watchers. if it pisses them off it is well worth all of the time and effort. and thats all i have to say about that.

I actually think places like the peta and aspca do some good as far as domestic animals go. Any dirt bag who chains up their dog 2ft away from a water bowl in 100 degree heat or throws it out on the side of the road needs to have the gun shoved up their a** and the shot with it up there. Some low life left his dog inside his camper when he left our campground. No ac or food or water. Somebody walking by herd the dog whining and scratching and let it out. You know, stuff like that is just wrong. But as far as wildlife is concerend, they need to stay out of that.

     The only other thing I got to say is that Paul, you need to get out of this thread. I and im sure many others are sick and tired of hearing you bit*c about how your getting bullied and picked on by the "southern flag flying" inbreds. YOUR IN A HUNTING THREAD IN A SOUTHERN BASED OUTDOOR WEBSITE! Get it through your head. And if you dont like it then go to a different forum or get off the site entirely. Or better yet if you really upset then go back to England. Its not that we dont care about your oppion it that your all by yourself here. THE ODDS ARE AGINST YOU! Read 5 sentinces above here! So get with the program and quit whining about how your getting pushed around by the big bad southerners or dont post at all.

I've  hunted since the late 70's , dont criticize those who choose not to.
Hunting at times has gotten a bad rap due to the actions  of some and unfortunately we all get
stereo typed as result.

I dont like to label groups or individuals because of their views , it only creates more alienation between sides .
If they still get personal and nasty after giving them the benefit of the doubt ,then F***em.
My $.02. ;D

I don't care about the odds, I just don't like rude pri*ks like you. Point I was making that anyone with different opinion to yours get beat down. You still doing it now - "Go to a different forum" - "get off the site entirely"  -  "Or better yet if you really upset then go back to England",  dude how ignorant are you.  If you care about someone elses opinion then why have you got to be so immature everytime they voice it.  Grow up fool, this is a forum, the very definition of a forum is a  public meeting or assembly for open discussion. 

Madd Mudder, I take it back, I just read that you are 14, so you have every right to be immature, just stay out of my face.

I was brought up as ahunter and will die as a hunter.
Hunting as any wildlife management officer will tell you "its crucial" to have a regulated hunt, Its best for the herd, or population to have hunting. Otherwise you`ll have poor genetic diseases, and over population.

I as a "transplant" from the north, dont necessarilly agree with hunting with dogs, we never could in the north. Here you can, so live with it!!

Hunting, also creates lifelong morals. Such as respecting others land by getting permission, eating what you kill and only kill what you eat.
I have seen how slaughter houses are, and believe me a true hunter is way more humane than most of the meat houses I have seen !!

 Anyone ready for a hunt ?? I am !!!! the .270 is loaded and ready.
I have always wanted to hunt a hog with my bow, and been told I was nuts !!, no different than hunting a bear with one, as long as your good enougfh with it, its not nuts, Its called skill !!

im not one to get into other people business but PAUL you questioned his manlyness so to speak?? so by right you deserve everything you get. everyone here thats posted their reasons didnt get negative feed back but you. im not hating on you but think you were wrong.



kevin

some of you need to stay in the children's section.

I hunt. But I've never shot at anything i dont intend to eat, or at least know someone that will eat what i wont.

And its pretty obvious, with the amount of land we have now, if they dont have any real predators around here, they will over populate and die of hunger...and sh*t. lol    
I've never done any research on that but i know its true.

You dont have to be an inbred redneck to enjoy hunting either. sh*t, i love animals, deer are beautiful animals, but if i can take them out with one shot rather than them suffering for a few weeks starving, then im for it. but People that kill animals just to mount there heads on a wall are idiots and deserve to have there hands cut off so they cant fire a weapon again.

Yup

That was an exchange between fastrnirik and myself that carried over from another thread. I have no problem with him and hope he feels the same. There is no reason for people I have never spoke to to start running their mouths about me personally. Why can't people stay with the topic instead of getting personal.

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The whole lot of ya are testosterone filled homophobes.  I mean really to be a hunter or not to be a hunter neither makes a man a wuss or sissy.  Y'all are bickering on the internet over and issue that will be as divided as religion. :K :box.gif Move the hell on or I'll continue to sit here and laugh my arse of at all y'all calling names over a hobby/sport.

I mean really put your testosterone back in check.  Give your nuts back to your wives, mothers, and g/f's.  So we can go on peacefully.  LMAO!!!!! :R

OH FYI I HUNT!  I haven't gotten anything yet that's why it's called hunting not killing.

Qt is here now, I am out !!!!!!!
 Going back to the other side!!! ;)

this topic just got its Shut down post. :bow.gif

owned
 

Rather than piss at each other, what do you hunters agree with or disagree with the following (bear in mind I did not write it or neccesarily agree or disagree with it):

Hunting: A cruel so-called "sport"' exercised today by only six percent of the U.S. population. I believe that all life is a sacred miracle, which we should respect, cherish, and preserve--not destroy!

The first subspecies of humans to hunt were cavemen. It appears that hunting has invalidated the theory of evolution, since after millions of years this subspecies continues the barbaric practice of murdering the innocent. How can any normal human being derive enjoyment from the killing of helpless animals and then justify this act by calling it a sport?

The fact that hunting is legal does not make it morally acceptable. Slavery, killing innocents in war, burning witches, and anti-Semitism were also legal. Some "great American traditions" should be encouraged to die.

Hunters purchase hundreds and thousands of dollars worth of equipment ranging from tents, hunting stands, weapons, ammunition, camouflage, and scents so that the deer won't smell them to four-wheelers, spotlights, night scopes, and numerous other things available to them.

Statistics that the University of Maryland's Extension Service gathered during the hunting season revealed that hunters spend over 51 million dollars a year to kill about 46,000 deer in Maryland, which comes out to approximately $1000 for each deer killed. Assuming that the meat of each deer was preserved and eaten and that each deer provided 45 pounds of meat, this means that the cost per pound of deer flesh in Maryland was $24.44.

Hunters like to use the excuse that they give deer meat to the hungry. They can buy much more food from a store. Same goes for feeding their own families. No, hunters don't "hunt for the hungry." They hunt for the thrill that they get when the bullet hits its target and the animal takes its final, wheezing breaths and the feeling of macho pride. They feel this pride because they and they alone (with the help of a gun, ammunition, and other equipment) were responsible for an animal's death.

Another excuse that hunters use is that they're saving deer from starvation. Hunters kill animals with no notion of which animals are weak and likely to die of starvation. They go after the ones with the biggest antlers or the head that will look best mounted over their fireplace.

Overpopulation is yet another excuse. This argument is generally used by state wildlife agencies. If population control were the main reason for conducting deer hunts, then hunters would only be permitted to kill doe.

Although disease and starvation are unfortunate, they are necessary as part of nature's way of ensuring that strong and healthy deer survive and that populations don't become too high. Nature's predators such as bobcats and bear, which mainly kill weak or sickly deer, help maintain this balance. Hunters, however, kill anything that moves, including healthy deer--and even themselves on occasion.

As for deer causing car accidents, even in heavily hunted states, the number of deer-car collisions continues to climb. The cause is an increase in the number of cars on the road and the destruction of wildlife habitats. There is even evidence that hunting actually contributes to the number of accidents. As hunters force deer to flee the woods the first day of hunting season, collisions increase. Insurance companies have the numbers that show that when hunting season starts, car accidents rise.

i'm a deer and bear hunter   dear faces and bare a$$ es      ;)

lol ^^^^

*ahem*

Enough said , out of here.

personally I hate the way hunting season interupts my riding time in the woods

OK I have taken some of the points you have made to try and show you the truth about hunting, and not this all hunters are evil retoric you are trying to feed everyone.

First, there are many activities that are called sports that arent actually sports. Atv's for example, the activity of riding through the woods should not be considered a sport unless you actually race them. So the sport "label" is given to many hobbies that require people to perform an activity to reach a goal.

Second, I have never met a hunter that claims he hunts to feed the hungry. I am not saying there aren't a few that do but the majority hunt to feed themselves.

Third, most large male deer, the ones with the "biggest antlers", are very hard to find or even get a shot at. This makes the majority of the bucks shot the smaller, weaker bucks.

Fourth, population control, you say that we should kill the doe's to help control the population. Two things here are that according to nature it takes a Buck and a Doe to reproduce so killing either would serve the purpose. Also most hunters hunt for meat and would prefer to take a doe.

Fifth, You say all hunters kill anything that moves. That is a rediculous stereotype that I cant believe you used seeing as how you have "been called it all". That would be like me saying all English people have rotten teeth and bad breath, so please refrain from using that stupid arguement.


Your last statement up above is right on the money. This is neither the hunter nor the anti-hunters fault. This is to be blamed on the developers and both groups shold fight together to help save our natural habitat. This goes for all outdoor enthusiasts.

I hope this helped enlighten you a bit Paul.

As I said, I didn't write it. I was just curious as to what the counter arguments that people who hunt would use.

Of course someone that does not agree with hunting is going to think that people who hunt are wrong. I like animals, I feel what you guys do when you kill them "for fun" is wrong. You think it's ok so lets just leave it at that.

I apologize I missed the part where you said you didnt write it. But there are some arguements. I am not a hunter but I fully support it, because I am friends with many hunters and understand the reasoning behind it. There are also many common goals between hunters and Atv'ers.

No problem.

I think it's great that people don't like hunting and don't hunt. That just means there are less people to contend with when I want to go hunting.

The bad press and false unsupported allegations made relative to hunters and hunting never ceases to amaze me; as do the comparisions many miopic minded individuals try to create between hunters and monsters such as war criminals, murderers, etc. But, then again, one should never doubt the ability of over-zealous fanatics in large groups.

I mean, lets face it, the truth is that hunting (as proven via research efforts from multiple companies, universities, organizations, etc.) does an excellent job of controlling the burgeoning deer population. In fact, to encourage this control issue, many states have adopted a mandatory doe kill prior to harvesting a buck. In addition, disease and starvation is definitely a part of nature. However, disease and starvation brought on my man's encroachment into prime deer habitat is anything but natural. The hypocrisy of insinuating that death for a deer via disease and starvation is somehow more acceptable than death by hunting demonstrates the twisted mentality of many anti-hunter types.

With respect to an increase in car accidents with deer at the start of hunting season, the same reasoning could be applied to the increase in sexually transmitted diseases and unwed pregnancy during spring break. ;)

As a 12 year plus board member, director and president of a large Florida Fish and Game organization, I challenge any anti-hunting group to demonstrate a level of stewardship, conservation and concern exceeding that which hunters (an outdoorsmen and women in general) carry for the environment and the wildlife (not just game animals) living within it. The truth is, they can't. The issue's been beat to death. As a result of the actions taken by hunters, millions of acres have been preserved in a manner that allows the public (both hunters and not) to access and enjoy. Species of animals have been brought back from endangerment and a better understanding of our wildlife has been accomplished. You can bet PETA and the Sierra Club had nothing to do with it.

By the way folks, I just placed a HUGE order with Cabelas!!! WOOOT!!! Hunting season is barely one month away! (South Carolina opens August 15th).

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Ok I guess I need to get out of this thread. Im 14 and have never owned a gun or a bow. Also im gonna be the more "mature person" here paul and quit posting because I dont feel the need or have the time to sit here and call names and respond to everybody that says anything. Although im not the immature 14yr old you think I am, you and many other adults are going to continue with that view point that kids are mindless immature know nothings untill they turn 18. So with that and this last thing im about to say im done in this topic. The way I see it, people that are Hunters are gonna stay hunters. The anti-hunting treehuggers are going to continue to be what they are. All the arguing and name calling in the world isn't gonna change that. So all of us including myself need to quit bi*ching about who's right and who's not and do what QT314 said.

QT different kind of hunting  ;)  Oh, do you eat what you hunt?  :P

Yes, I like deer, hog, turkey.  If I kill it I'm going to eat it.  BD you're thinking of the wrong hunting.  And I'm not hunting that.  I'm more of a sight seer in that department. ;)

that kook Paul is still old English nerd no matter what is said! ;D

Alright, ya'll leave Paul_S alone. He's just as entitled to his opinion as we are.
 I stopped the voting, because I've got the info I was looking for. Thanks for all the responses.   

I agree.....dang boy drinks warm beer and there women have hairy arm pits. ???

Hey, leave the pits alone, I send my mom up first clear the buffet line at the Golden Corral.

Now I have to admit that was funny! :D ;D :Clap.gif

Good one Paul. All in good fun. How does your grill look?

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wow now i'm really worried about ya u do realize we declared independance from the british about 330 years ago

230 years to be exact. :N