Paddling children in school

[JackL]

Are they kidding me with this, first I thought they did away with this years ago, but is it any surprise which students are being given corporal punishment more? It is getting really old to blame racial profiling on every thing these days.

I went to school, and I always preferred the paddle over a call to my parents, who used a belt!!

Perhaps if the principles got to use a cane stalk we wouldn't see the same thing in incarceration statistics.

250,000 students beaten during '07 school year
By Libby Quaid
Associated Press

WASHINGTON — Paddlings, swats, licks. A quarter of a million schoolchildren got them in 2007 — and blacks, American Indians and children with disabilities got a disproportionate share, according to a study by a human rights group.


Even small children can be paddled.


Heather Porter, who lives in Crockett, Texas, was startled to hear her little boy, then 3, say he'd been spanked at school. Porter was never told, despite a policy at the public preschool that parents be notified.


”We were pretty ticked off, to say the least. The reason he got paddled was because he was untying his shoes and playing with the air conditioner thermostat,“ Porter said. ”He was being a 3-year-old.“


In its study, being released Wednesday, the group Human Rights Watch used Education Department data to show that, although paddling has been declining, racial disparity persists. Researchers also interviewed students, parents and school personnel in Texas and Mississippi, states that account for 40 percent of children paddled during the 2007 school year.


Porter could have filled out a form telling the school not to paddle her son, if only she had realized he might be paddled.


Yet many parents find that such forms are ignored, the study said.


Widespread paddling can make it unlikely that forms will be checked. Tiffany Bart-lett, a teacher interviewed by Human Rights Watch, said that in her Austin, Texas, school the policy was to lock classroom doors when the bell rang, leaving stragglers to be paddled by an administrator patrolling the hallways.


Even if schools make a mistake, they are unlikely to face lawsuits. In places where corporal punishment is allowed, teachers and principals generally have legal immunity from assault laws, the study said.


”One of the things we've seen over and over again is that parents have difficulty getting redress, if a child is paddled and severely injured, or paddled in violation of parents' wishes,“ said Alice Farmer, the study's author.


A majority of states have outlawed it, but corporal punishment remains widespread across the South. Corporal punishment is legal in Kentucky schools, but many school districts, including Fayette County's, have banned it.


African-American students are more than twice as likely to be paddled. The disparity persists even in places with large black populations, the study found. Similarly, Native Americans were more than twice as likely to be paddled, the study found.


The study also found:


■ In states where paddling is most common, black girls were paddled more than twice as often as white girls.


■ Boys are three times as likely to be paddled as girls.


■ Special education children were more likely to be paddled.


During the three years Evan Couzo taught in the Mississippi Delta, he refused to paddle children, offering detention instead. But others — teachers, parents, even children — were accustomed to paddling.


”Just about everyone at the beginning of the year said, "If he or she gives you any trouble, you can paddle them. You can send them home, and I'll paddle them. Or you can have me come out to the school, and we can both paddle them.'


”It's really just a part of the culture of the school environment there,“ Couzo said.
http://www.kentucky.com/216/story/495682.html

[trx#9]

Beat those little basturds.

[Able]

Good to see you back Jack.


This is an easy one for me. First some history. I went to public schools my entire education. I have been paddled an a few occasions, but my parents were called FIRST.
I honestly didn't know schools still paddled at all. I figured it was outlawed as "inhumane" since now we remove all negative consequences that might actually work and instead affix labels to excuse children from disruptive behavior instead of address it. You know, the ever popular "PC" method that does nothing except refuse to condemn inappropriate behavior to avoid offending anyone.

Black over white ? I don't think so. In today's society it's more likely that administrators, especially if they are white, would paddle a white child before a black on in fear of marches, demonstrations, jesse jackson, al sharpton, boycotts, lawsuits, etc over a white paddling a black child even if the child deserved it. So the fact that black children are paddled more is most likely due to the simple fact that they earned it more than their white peers. I know, Jackl and many others will be appalled at the thought. They would rather blame it all on racist whites instead of consider the fact that perhaps the black children actually misbehave more often. This way they can endulge in their self ridden guilt at being white and publicly show that they are willing to not only avoid being a white racist, but to cater to blacks due to thier color. But it shows you the other side of the coin. To armchair quarterback it and say it's racism is what our society will most likely do, but that doesn't make it right. The only way to actually know for sure would be to have all the facts and weigh them on a case by case basis, which just isn't possible. So we'll have to either trust those that have studied, trained, and dedicated their lives to educating our children or call the naacp and shout racism. I'm sure Jack is already on the phone.

In the information provided it also says boys are three times as likely to be paddled as girls -  does that mean that we should also assume that the entire public school system is sexist and set out to paddle boys and not girls ? maybe we should have a naami (national association for the advancement of male individuals) sue and protest our male children being singled out and paddled just because they are male ? sound pretty stupid right ? same with the race issue.

I was paddled when in grade school. In my class - I lived in Lutz and was in the gifted class - there were about 24 kids - 4 of which were black as well as a few others that were neither black nor white but other ethnicities. Of the (approx - as best as I can recall ) 24 kids - I was the only one paddled that year. as a matter of fact that year I was paddled at least 3 times that I recall (I know you're all shocked   ) . So does that mean that I was the victim of racism ? sexism ? or perhaps it was because of some other reason that I was singled out ?  Yep , it was I DESERVED IT !  Just like the kids that got paddled in 2007, they earned it. Regardless of color, religion, or what ever else makes them all different, they earned a paddling. If thier behavior didn't deserve punishment it wouldn't have been an issue.

In summation  we can't look back at a year of statistics and scream racism just because more black kids were paddled than whites. Or we can do what is appropriate and if there is a case of a child being paddled without cause then it should be addressed immediately. Not because the child is white or black, but because punishment without reason is wrong. And so is second guessing our public schools for administering punishment when it is needed just because you map it out on paper and realize that more black kids earned a punishment than other kids. The schools address the behaviors, not the color of the child's skin, and that's the way it should be.

Hey Jack what do you suggest ? should they only paddle as many black kids as there paddle white kids ? would it make you feel better to know that instead of avoiding the use of race as a  factor in making a decision we instead allow black kids to get away with the same behaviors that we punish white kids for even though that is indeed racism ?

I say instead of people coming up with bogus ways to scream about something that isn't really there, they spend that time addressing proper behaviors for these kids so none of them will be paddled in the future.

[gery350]

i was a relatively good student getting paddled only once. i understand that some kids deserve being paddled. however being a parent, no adult is gonna lay their hands on my kids. if my kids misbehave the wrath of god will come from me.

[Able]

i was a relatively good student getting paddled only once. i understand that some kids deserve being paddled. however being a parent, no adult is gonna lay their hands on my kids. if my kids misbehave the wrath of god will come from me.

I personally agree that corporal punishment should not be doled out by the school. but if it is it must be uniform based on the behavior, not the child. That also means NOT letting a kid get away with it because he/she is black and you're afraid of jesse jackson, al sharpton, and Jackl crying about it.

[IXIswamperIXI]

■ In states where paddling is most common, black girls were paddled more than twice as often as white girls.


■ Boys are three times as likely to be paddled as girls.


■ Special education children were more likely to be paddled.

Lord help you if you are a black special education boy... your screwed LOL

[trx#9]

Good to see you back Jack.


This is an easy one for me. First some history. I went to public schools my entire education. I have been paddled an a few occasions, but my parents were called FIRST.
I honestly didn't know schools still paddled at all. I figured it was outlawed as "inhumane" since now we remove all negative consequences that might actually work and instead affix labels to excuse children from disruptive behavior instead of address it. You know, the ever popular "PC" method that does nothing except refuse to condemn inappropriate behavior to avoid offending anyone.

Black over white ? I don't think so. In today's society it's more likely that administrators, especially if they are white, would paddle a white child before a black on in fear of marches, demonstrations, jesse jackson, al sharpton, boycotts, lawsuits, etc over a white paddling a black child even if the child deserved it. So the fact that black children are paddled more is most likely due to the simple fact that they earned it more than their white peers. I know, Jackl and many others will be appalled at the thought. They would rather blame it all on racist whites instead of consider the fact that perhaps the black children actually misbehave more often. This way they can endulge in their self ridden guilt at being white and publicly show that they are willing to not only avoid being a white racist, but to cater to blacks due to thier color. But it shows you the other side of the coin. To armchair quarterback it and say it's racism is what our society will most likely do, but that doesn't make it right. The only way to actually know for sure would be to have all the facts and weigh them on a case by case basis, which just isn't possible. So we'll have to either trust those that have studied, trained, and dedicated their lives to educating our children or call the naacp and shout racism. I'm sure Jack is already on the phone.

In the information provided it also says boys are three times as likely to be paddled as girls -  does that mean that we should also assume that the entire public school system is sexist and set out to paddle boys and not girls ? maybe we should have a naami (national association for the advancement of male individuals) sue and protest our male children being singled out and paddled just because they are male ? sound pretty stupid right ? same with the race issue.

I was paddled when in grade school. In my class - I lived in Lutz and was in the gifted class - there were about 24 kids - 4 of which were black as well as a few others that were neither black nor white but other ethnicities. Of the (approx - as best as I can recall ) 24 kids - I was the only one paddled that year. as a matter of fact that year I was paddled at least 3 times that I recall (I know you're all shocked   ) . So does that mean that I was the victim of racism ? sexism ? or perhaps it was because of some other reason that I was singled out ?  Yep , it was I DESERVED IT !  Just like the kids that got paddled in 2007, they earned it. Regardless of color, religion, or what ever else makes them all different, they earned a paddling. If thier behavior didn't deserve punishment it wouldn't have been an issue.

In summation  we can't look back at a year of statistics and scream racism just because more black kids were paddled than whites. Or we can do what is appropriate and if there is a case of a child being paddled without cause then it should be addressed immediately. Not because the child is white or black, but because punishment without reason is wrong. And so is second guessing our public schools for administering punishment when it is needed just because you map it out on paper and realize that more black kids earned a punishment than other kids. The schools address the behaviors, not the color of the child's skin, and that's the way it should be.

Hey Jack what do you suggest ? should they only paddle as many black kids as there paddle white kids ? would it make you feel better to know that instead of avoiding the use of race as a  factor in making a decision we instead allow black kids to get away with the same behaviors that we punish white kids for even though that is indeed racism ?

I say instead of people coming up with bogus ways to scream about something that isn't really there, they spend that time addressing proper behaviors for these kids so none of them will be paddled in the future.

I think most of the parents need the paddlings, I can't believe the $hit parents let there kids get away with. I think stun guns will work more properly.

[Able]

I think most of the parents need the paddlings, I can't believe the $hit parents let there kids get away with. I think stun guns will work more properly.

OMG I agree on something with TRX       It is due to the parents NOT teaching their kids how to behave, or disciplining them that makes it necessary for the schools to step in and do something. Unfortunately, many parents do let their kids get away with everything, so when they come to school they don't know how to act. And instead of the parents addressing the kids' behavior problems they blame the school eg Jack (even though he's not a parent) blaming the schools for paddling kids. If the parents were doing their jobs, the schools wouldn't have to. And they would be able to focus on educating our kids, instead of teaching them how to behave.

[qt314nfla]

um just an fyi.  jack is a parent and has been up in GA helping his daughter as well as her mother which is why he hasn't been online. 

and i gotta agree w/ trx which is why i can't stand having most children around me.  and i always compliment those who do have good kids and want them around when we're out.

[Able]

um just an fyi.  jack is a parent and has been up in GA helping his daughter as well as her mother which is why he hasn't been online. 

and i gotta agree w/ trx which is why i can't stand having most children around me.  and i always compliment those who do have good kids and want them around when we're out.

Um OK didn't know.   In that case........ Hey Jack how would you feel if your child and a black child in the same class (assuming your child is not black) did the same thing, but your child was paddled and the black child was not - gotta make sure they don't paddle more black than white.

QT I get the feeling you don't like kids. You can't expect kids to act like small adults. But we've been through this before. You'll just have to excuse us, as you've said before, "breeders"   

[trx#9]

I think most of the parents need the paddlings, I can't believe the $hit parents let there kids get away with. I think stun guns will work more properly.

OMG I agree on something with TRX       It is due to the parents NOT teaching their kids how to behave, or disciplining them that makes it necessary for the schools to step in and do something. Unfortunately, many parents do let their kids get away with everything, so when they come to school they don't know how to act. And instead of the parents addressing the kids' behavior problems they blame the school eg Jack (even though he's not a parent) blaming the schools for paddling kids. If the parents were doing their jobs, the schools wouldn't have to. And they would be able to focus on educating our kids, instead of teaching them how to behave.

This could be a hoax.

[Able]

This could be a hoax.

I figured as much. I knew something was wrong when you started making sense 

[yunt2ride]

Our school allows paddlings if the parents oks it. The thing is that the pricipals have their rules and they go by them in all circumstances.

One incident was that my son was throwing acorns during PE with many other students. The teacher who caught him had some options, 1= warn them not to do it again or be sent to the office or 2= send them to the office. She chose number two. Well the principal has his own guidelines that he goes by if a child is sent to the office and it is to A= send him to ISS for 3 days or B= the student gets a paddling. I called the office and was explained this and told the principal that I did not agree with this but go ahead and paddle my child, that he was not doing ISS for something the teacher should have warned him about. Then when he came home, I told my son to pad up his clothes because he would be getting a paddling the next day. I normally would not let him pad up but this time I thought he really didn't deserve the paddling.

Second incident, he had this one kid that always picked on him and he would tell me about it, I told him to knock the crap out of the kid and he would leave him alone. Well it happened, then he was sent to the office. I called the principal this time and told him that my son has had a problem with this child for a long time and that I told him the next time the kid picked on him to knock the crap out of him and he would leave him alone. Then I told the principal to give my child the ISS because he was not getting a paddling for something I told him to do.

By the way, he does not have any more problems with this kid.

[Able]

And no one can fault you for what you did Yunt. I would have done the same in both situations. Just shows you are a concerned, involved parent that wants the best for his kid. You didn't make excuses for him, or get him out of it even when the punishment was too much for his behavior. I'm sure your son didn't enjoy it, but the way you're handling things will instill a sense of responsibility, understanding of consequences, and character in him. If all parents were like you we wouldn't have many of the problems we now have in our schools, and society in general.
 I applaud you sir

[Anoriginal]

Most of the time, it's the parents that need their azzes beat.

[yunt2ride]

And no one can fault you for what you did Yunt. I would have done the same in both situations. Just shows you are a concerned, involved parent that wants the best for his kid. You didn't make excuses for him, or get him out of it even when the punishment was too much for his behavior. I'm sure your son didn't enjoy it, but the way you're handling things will instill a sense of responsibility, understanding of consequences, and character in him. If all parents were like you we wouldn't have many of the problems we now have in our schools, and society in general.
 I applaud you sir

Thank you sir. By the way, my son thanked me for it when he got home from school. He told me that now its over and he didn't have to worry about it anymore.

[JackL]

Um OK didn't know.   In that case........ Hey Jack how would you feel if your child and a black child in the same class (assuming your child is not black) did the same thing, but your child was paddled and the black child was not - gotta make sure they don't paddle more black than white.

I think the entire premise of the article is BS. Black kids are disciplined more because of their behavior, not racism. You seem to think I am a bleeding heart liberal or something, but you couldn't be further from the truth.

I am not complaining in the least, I think corporal punishment is just fine, as long as it is dished out fairly end evenly, which I have no doubt is being done now.

This is the same sort of logic the PC crowd uses to justify 13% of the population committing 70% of the crime. It is crap, and everyone who went to public school knows it.

[JackL]

Most of the time, it's the parents that need their azzes beat.

Very true.

[mudnuri]

I think most of the parents need the paddlings, I can't believe the $hit parents let there kids get away with.
[/quote]

Amen

A spanking never hurt any kid. A beating, thats different, but kids are not created equal and what works for one does not always work for the others.
Parents are really soft in America anymore and the kids are the ones who end up suffering for their parents lack of discipline.
My parents told the principle to spank if needed. It was needed only once. 

[TRX450R_Racer]

When I was growing up, I wasn't afraid of the cops, teacher or principal. I was afraid of what my Dad was going to do when I got home. Beating my butt kept me out of trouble when I was younger. Back in the day some of my friends didn't have fathers and they were as afraid of my Dad as I was, because he wouldn't hesitate to smack the crap out of them also.

Another story about paddling.

When one of my friends moved here from NY his Dad never heard of paddling at school. One day he got in trouble, we were 8 or 9 years old. The principal told him he was going to be paddled the next day. Before this took place one night at dinner my friend told his father about paddling at school. His Dad said "if any touches my kids with that thing I will stick it up their azz sideways." When the principal told my buddy he was going to be paddled, he said to the principal "you do that and me Dad is going to stick that thing up you azz sideways." The next day my friend, his Dad and the principal had a conference. The principal told my friends Dad he was going to paddle my friend. My friends dad said "you touch my kid with that and I will stick it up you azz sideways." My friend said to the principal "I told you so."

True story!

[Able]

 
Parents are really soft in America anymore and the kids are the ones who end up suffering for their parents lack of discipline.

Another Amen     Absolutely correct Mudnuri - can you imagine what earlier generations of Americans would think upon hearing much of the junk going on in today's society ? If America was as soft by 1900 as we are now, we'd be speaking German. yes I know that transcends issues, but it's applicable. Our kids need to know they answer for, or are rewarded for, what they do. Our society takes liberty and privileges for granted because it was those before us that had to fight and struggle to establish them. Our lackadaisical posture / everything is ok PC nonsense is an indulgence afforded to us now, but promises to destroy what our founders built.


Jackl - relax, if I can't mess with ya what's the point of you being back ?

[AintSkeered]

So, you simply don't have the skills, patience, intelligence or resources necessary to deal with unruly kids. Why stop with paddling kids, why not get your same jollies by paddling rude or inconsiderate adults, traffic offenders, law-breakers, cheating spouses, tax-cheaters, athletes who commit sporting infractions, etc.? Hell, why stop there, impose Taliban law!

[TRX450R_Racer]

So, you simply don't have the skills, patience, intelligence or resources necessary to deal with unruly kids. Why stop with paddling kids, why not get your same jollies by paddling rude or inconsiderate adults, traffic offenders, law-breakers, cheating spouses, tax-cheaters, athletes who commit sporting infractions, etc.? Hell, why stop there, impose Taliban law!

I disagree. If my Dad didn't raise me with azz whoopins, I would probably be in jail. Everyone isn't the same.

[yunt2ride]

Another story about paddling.

When one of my friends moved here from NY his Dad never heard of paddling at school. One day he got in trouble, we were 8 or 9 years old. The principal told him he was going to be paddled the next day. Before this took place one night at dinner my friend told his father about paddling at school. His Dad said "if any touches my kids with that thing I will stick it up their azz sideways." When the principal told my buddy he was going to be paddled, he said to the principal "you do that and me Dad is going to stick that thing up you azz sideways." The next day my friend, his Dad and the principal had a conference. The principal told my friends Dad he was going to paddle my friend. My friends dad said "you touch my kid with that and I will stick it up you azz sideways." My friend said to the principal "I told you so."

True story!

Thats when if I was the principal that I would have told that dad "that your son is on a 5 day out of school suspension, don't expect me to babysit your unruly kids then."

[gtnwood]

I got paddled almost daily at school............but then again I enjoyed it, quite immensely actually