Water 4 Gas

JackL · May 25, 2008, 10:45:52 AM

Quote from: eldiablo64 on May 25, 2008, 09:58:27 AM
I was checking out http://www.mpgaccelerator.com/ and according to them you don't have to do all that technical crap.

If you ask me, that page looks like the guy wants to sell books and mason jars.

$97 for information that is freely available on the net is insane. Look at Bushwackers system, you could build that for about $10 without that guys books.

big-daddy · May 25, 2008, 10:50:53 AM

I agree on that, why pay? Jack the design came from Jose our Motorola tech, if you want come by and you can talk to him about his design. Back to your ECU, are you able to pull the chip?

big-daddy · May 25, 2008, 03:56:28 PM

check this out

http://cgi.ebay.com/KWP-2000-PLUS-ECU-FLASHER-REMAPPING-TOOL_W0QQitemZ320255447959QQihZ011QQcategoryZ32053QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

JackL · May 25, 2008, 07:16:56 PM

Quote from: big-daddy on May 25, 2008, 10:50:53 AM
I agree on that, why pay? Jack the design came from Jose our Motorola tech, if you want come by and you can talk to him about his design. Back to your ECU, are you able to pull the chip?

As a matter of fact, no. It is in a memcal. Bah.

Are you using that circuit on the jeep? How do you know when it is too lean? How long can you make hydrogen before the generator gets too hot? I am looking forward to adding that once I have the computer down, so it will actually do something for me.

I'll tell you, I like the ODB port as well. I think I am going to get a cheap laptop for the truck and make it permanent so I can make a graphical gauge cluster on one of those cheap 7" lcd screens attached to my dash. Be nice for mp3's as well. SOme of the PC software out there is very cool for realtime monitoring. I can't believe I never knew about this.

I am going to put paperclips in the holes in the bottom of that module, so they reach the socket on my burner to read it. I suppose I am going to remove the chip and put a ZIF socket there because I really don't want to erase that original, and I figure I am going to have a few different programs for the highway and the mudhole before this is over.

Here is where they hide it on these style GM trucks:

Another shot of it.

JackL · May 25, 2008, 08:02:09 PM

Quote from: big-daddy on May 25, 2008, 03:56:28 PM
check this out

http://cgi.ebay.com/KWP-2000-PLUS-ECU-FLASHER-REMAPPING-TOOL_W0QQitemZ320255447959QQihZ011QQcategoryZ32053QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Sweet, our money is worth more than Australia's.

That thing looks very cool for people with newer vehicles and ODBII. I'm not sure how much I like the incircuit flashing and inability to emulate with these computers though. I have fried enough satellite receivers to know this can happen for no real reason sometimes. If I was building a new motor for anything fast I would use the ECM and TBI from a mid 90's 454 I do believe. I never realised what people were out there doing with them.

big-daddy · May 25, 2008, 10:05:24 PM

Each generator is different, it depends on the plates and the mix. But mine runs all day long without over heating. I,m using 9 plate design with 4 tablespoons of bake soda mix in a gallon of water, if the unit draws too much amps bring down the mix till you get it right.

yunt2ride · May 28, 2008, 10:40:08 AM

An fuel milage updates from this weekend.

big-daddy · May 28, 2008, 10:50:58 AM

Jeep went 170 miles highway driving and avg 20.5 MPG. Remember it as 4:88 gears, so it not the best for highway driving.

poolsean · May 28, 2008, 11:53:08 AM

Fascinating stuff.

BigDaddy, what mpg did you start off with on your Jeep, before adding the HHO?

big-daddy · May 28, 2008, 04:37:22 PM

best was 15.5

big-daddy · May 28, 2008, 07:51:37 PM

oxy sensor mod

big-daddy · May 28, 2008, 09:44:29 PM

oopps..... this may help

poolsean · May 29, 2008, 01:50:48 AM

Basically because there are other LAZY people like me on here, IF you were willing to build another system for someone (me), how much would you charge?

Da_Mtg_Man · May 29, 2008, 07:02:16 AM

Quote from: poolsean on May 29, 2008, 01:50:48 AM
Basically because there are other LAZY people like me on here, IF you were willing to build another system for someone (me), how much would you charge?

$1799.00

jrpro130 · May 29, 2008, 01:13:42 PM

Quote from: poolsean on May 29, 2008, 01:50:48 AM
Basically because there are other LAZY people like me on here, IF you were willing to build another system for someone (me), how much would you charge?

x2, I got a ranger on 35's with 4.88's and I'm getting 15 at best...I'd love 20

I'll pay for the kit (obviously) I just want a nice one thats done right...if you don't want to build another for either one of us, or both, is there a right direction we could be pointed in. I did my research, but I can't stand electronics, I just don't really like messing with them.

JackL · May 29, 2008, 03:16:34 PM

Quote from: jrpro130 on May 29, 2008, 01:13:42 PM
Quote from: poolsean on May 29, 2008, 01:50:48 AM
Basically because there are other LAZY people like me on here, IF you were willing to build another system for someone (me), how much would you charge?

x2, I got a ranger on 35's with 4.88's and I'm getting 15 at best...I'd love 20

I'll pay for the kit (obviously) I just want a nice one thats done right...if you don't want to build another for either one of us, or both, is there a right direction we could be pointed in. I did my research, but I can't stand electronics, I just don't really like messing with them.

If you can snorkel a quad you can build a hydrogen generator for sure. Depending on the year of your vehicle it may just work great without modifying anything.

big-daddy · May 29, 2008, 04:06:54 PM

Theirs alot more than installing the generator to a gas engine (diesel from 2007 and down, pre clean diesel are plug and play systems), the newer the car/truck the harder it is. Theirs alot of sensors that need to be readjusted. I should have the 07 F150 done in two weeks with all the goodies done to the system ( big HHO generator, MAF, IAT, CTS and the oxy sensors all setup to work on New hydrogen system. If it was easy ever one would have done it by now.

big-daddy · May 29, 2008, 04:11:32 PM

Quote from: big-daddy on May 28, 2008, 09:44:29 PM
oopps..... this may help

Jack that your one oxy sensor setup, it will add .5 volts to the wire going back to the ECU and lean the eng down to adjust for the extra oxygen in the exhuast.. Will not hurt or super lean the eng, it just add the extra voltage to the current voltage at the sensor.

jrpro130 · May 29, 2008, 05:11:04 PM

I can work on a bike no problem, I just hate electrical and messing with my engine

Basic question I have is...could I just make a REALLY basic hydrogen generator and not use the 02 sensor change...I'd rather not do it for now. Would I have any gains?

I'm sure I could make the HHO generator, just not so sure aobut the electrical. I can wire it up and put an LED on it and so forth, but i was thinking just throw that into my intake tube (the HHO gas). Would I see any gains?

It's a 2002 ford 3.0 ranger

radyray916 · May 29, 2008, 05:27:29 PM

for us lazy people i found this site http://www.xo1ox.net/hho/shop/ and this one http://mindstrain.com/ and this also .
http://www.protiumfuelsystems.com/optimizer.html hope they help .this last one is a vid of a little vmu a guy is making looks good . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA72J_lN8MY

big-daddy · May 29, 2008, 08:10:25 PM

Quote from: jrpro130 on May 29, 2008, 05:11:04 PM
I can work on a bike no problem, I just hate electrical and messing with my engine

Basic question I have is...could I just make a REALLY basic hydrogen generator and not use the 02 sensor change...I'd rather not do it for now. Would I have any gains?

I'm sure I could make the HHO generator, just not so sure aobut the electrical. I can wire it up and put an LED on it and so forth, but i was thinking just throw that into my intake tube (the HHO gas). Would I see any gains?

It's a 2002 ford 3.0 ranger

You going to have to put an extender on the oxygen sensor to get it out of the exhaust stream. The Hydrogen make more oxygen has it burns, making the ECU dump more fuel. = NO GAIN in MPG!

big-daddy · May 29, 2008, 08:11:28 PM

Quote from: radyray916 on May 29, 2008, 05:27:29 PM
for us lazy people i found this site http://www.xo1ox.net/hho/shop/ and this one http://mindstrain.com/ and this also .
http://www.protiumfuelsystems.com/optimizer.html hope they help .this last one is a vid of a little vmu a guy is making looks good . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA72J_lN8MY

Cheaper on e-bay

JackL · May 29, 2008, 08:42:28 PM

Quote from: big-daddy on May 29, 2008, 04:11:32 PM

Jack that your one oxy sensor setup, it will add .5 volts to the wire going back to the ECU and lean the eng down to adjust for the extra oxygen in the exhuast.. Will not hurt or super lean the eng, it just add the extra voltage to the current voltage at the sensor.

I can control it at the ECM now.

I find it funny my truck, and probably most GM vehicles have a built in highway mode that kicks the timing forward and leans it out to the 15.5 to 1 range over a set speed, mine was set at 255 MPH so it would never actually kick in and increase the NOx a bit. Some tuners are saying it is good for 3-5MPG on the highway.

It will be interesting to see if hydrogen actually can increase my MPG after squeezing the very last bit of MPG's possible out before adding it.

Are you driving the same way you were before or lighter? I know I am driving very lightly and can probably account for 2-3 savings with my foot alone...

big-daddy · May 29, 2008, 09:17:00 PM

I still driving like I stolen it..... Went you put hydrogen in your air mixture it will increase the oxygen count in the exhaust. The oxygen sensor picks up this and dump more fuel into the engine think its running lean. By installing the unit it will add .5 voltage to the current oxygen sensor signal. So the oxygen sensor still working its cycle but always lean on the mixture. It also as a switch to turn off the unit to bypass it.

ROC0999 · May 29, 2008, 09:20:09 PM

ON THE 3.0 RANGER YOU WILL NEED THE EXTENDERS 3 OF THEM , 1 EACH SIDE OF EXHAUST BEFORE CAT AND 1 AFTER CAT AND THEN YOU SHOULD SEE LIKE 7-8 MPG'S AFTER ABOUT 1 MONTH OF CONSTANT USE, ATLEAST THATS WHAT I'M GETTING25-26 MPG'S AND I WAS GETTING 17-18 BEFORE USING AND I HAVE 2 GENERATORS HOOKEP UP NOW