Water 4 Gas

[Mudneck]

Ive got a call into the guy on the wptv story & we will speak tomorrow. If its $1200 installed Im in and if it works well I would look for a distributorship

[JackL]

At $389 I am tempted to try this contraption.

http://www.shop.hydrofuelsolutions.com/product.sc;jsessionid=1C66ABB046245AFE57B394AC35EF41A1.qscstrfrnt02?categoryId=1&productId=2

If you read he suggests using KOH for the electrolite KOH is potassium hydroxide .

Also we have overcome most of the Iron bloom problem using Steam distilled or Rain water

You have a choice of 3 different mixes you can use.

White distilled vinegar and water

Baking soda and distilled water

Or KOH if you wish

The baking soda will disapate over time where the KOH will not

Amp draw is determined via strength of mix to get a 8 to 9 amp cold amp draw

In most cases this is 1 to 2 teaspoons of baking soda in 1 gal of water as a starting point!

50/50 vinegar water

or 1/2 teaspoon of flakes of KOH

If you can catch Rain water that is the best!

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Dang that page reads like spam..haha I would think RO water would be the best.
I almost want to try and build something that resembles it out of PVC
like he warns about not buyin just to see how much gas it can pump out
and try it with some small engines first. You know more about it and have a lathe.
Check it out for us will ya!

[450rcrazy]

At $389 I am tempted to try this contraption.

http://www.shop.hydrofuelsolutions.com/product.sc;jsessionid=1C66ABB046245AFE57B394AC35EF41A1.qscstrfrnt02?categoryId=1&productId=2

If you read he suggests using KOH for the electrolite KOH is potassium hydroxide .

Also we have overcome most of the Iron bloom problem using Steam distilled or Rain water

You have a choice of 3 different mixes you can use.

White distilled vinegar and water

Baking soda and distilled water

Or KOH if you wish

The baking soda will disapate over time where the KOH will not

Amp draw is determined via strength of mix to get a 8 to 9 amp cold amp draw

In most cases this is 1 to 2 teaspoons of baking soda in 1 gal of water as a starting point!

50/50 vinegar water

or 1/2 teaspoon of flakes of KOH

If you can catch Rain water that is the best!

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Dang that page reads like spam..haha I would think RO water would be the best.
I almost want to try and build something that resembles it out of PVC
like he warns about not buyin just to see how much gas it can pump out
and try it with some small engines first. You know more about it and have a lathe.
Check it out for us will ya!

how do you think I know so much about it already. 

[Mudneck]

Redneck know how

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3ybM4Lyzl4&feature=related

[JackL]

Redneck know how

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3ybM4Lyzl4&feature=related

Nice.

[trx#9]

I sure am eager to hear the results of the test to see if there is an rust in the engine from the salt.

I doubt it do to all the moving parts. Unless your car sets for awhile.

[AmericanRobster]

hmmm considering that all the engine blocks in cars and trucks now are aluminum, I think that it would take some time for those to rust..

[kfx400rob]

i think i would rather spend the cash on the kit to make biodiesel. i have seen some bad reviews on that kit and a few good ones, i doubt it would save enough to justify $1200.

[JackL]

i think i would rather spend the cash on the kit to make biodiesel. i have seen some bad reviews on that kit and a few good ones, i doubt it would save enough to justify $1200.

Where are you going to get the used cooking oil to convert?

[Mudneck]

i think i would rather spend the cash on the kit to make biodiesel. i have seen some bad reviews on that kit and a few good ones, i doubt it would save enough to justify $1200.

Where are you going to get the used cooking oil to convert?

True dat,unless you personally know a diner or chinc food place......good luck. That market is pretty tight. The people with the used grease actually have services that PAY them for it & supply them with all the storage containers.


Back to the HHO Im in touch with a guy and will have one on my diesel soon one way or another.

[450rcrazy]

Just a warning HHO does not work well in multi stage injection systems such as the Ford Super duty's engine. you will see almost no difference in milage.

[450rcrazy]

here is an example taken right from an HHO devise manufacturer web page.

Will  Work On fuel injected . Or carbureted.

or Diesel

On the smaller diesels like in the jetta and on reefers we have seen dramatic gains as much as 44%

But you have to have space to install and in some small diesel vehicles space is limited

If you are installing on a Gas fuel injected engine you will need an O2 extender on the front O2 sensors and in some cases what is called an EFIE so the O2 sensor will NOT see the extra oxygen from the HHO generator

There is 2 gas engines that see very little gains from a HHO unit they are the V10 dodge and the Toyotas with the Hi output V8. the reason being is the engine computer defaults to a fixed fuel ratio.

Also the Power Stroke Fords  6.0 and 7.3 see very little gains due to how they inject the diesel fuel in a 2 part process
Most all other engines see app 20 to 40% MPG gains

and a noticeable increase in power!

What is happening is you are introducing Hydrogen and Oxygen in to the air stream of you vehicle.

The Hydrogen and Oxygen Not only is adding supplement fuel to your engine. Making it a HYBRID. But the extra oxygen is helping your normal fuel burn more complete

Raising Power. Better Mileage.

[Mudneck]

http://www.wptv.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=74b15465-2ebb-49e0-acb1-939c4bb13a28

The guy Carmine I spoke with says the owner has a f-250 6.0-7.3 I dont know. He has seen signifigant gains 40 + % if he wants to sell me a system hes going to have to start with a full tank & let or drive me  30-50 miles on HWY.

[JackL]

$1200 to make my 3/4 ton 4WD Suburban get 30MPG? I am finding all this hard to believe. I wonder why the auto manufacturers aren't using this to achieve the mandated MPG with giant new cars and trucks?

[yunt2ride]

$1200 to make my 3/4 ton 4WD Suburban get 30MPG? I am finding all this hard to believe. I wonder why the auto manufacturers aren't using this to achieve the mandated MPG with giant new cars and trucks?

Probably because the consumer has to keep up with the water usage and mix the sodium in it. Some people, are just gas and go people. Its gotta be a simple process. This you have to maintain (keeping it full of the water and sodium mixture) or it won't work. I'm not sure what would happen if you let it run out of water also.

[jrpro130]

Anyone have any updates on this? I'm really tempted at only 389~!

[Mudneck]

Im working on it

[greenmachine]

lets not forget the electrolysis factor on all aluminum parts that salt can cause.

[JackL]

lets not forget the electrolysis factor on all aluminum parts that salt can cause.

That would be confined to the generating canister. So long as H and O2 don't cause corrosion I can't see how this could actually hurt anything.

[Chevy1500z71]

id really need to know exactly how this works in far more detail than just "it retunes your computer" becasue i will be completely retuning my ecm myself and i need to understand the effect this water4gas thing would have on my air fuel ratio and stuff like that... seems like a bunch of crap to me, xylol is just methanol with harsh chemicals in it that will literally destroy any kind of rubber gasket or seal that it gets on, trust me i used it as methanol once and it destroyed my methanol injection pump...

[smittygj]

Here is a link to plans to build your own for free.
The instructions also have link at the end on how to build
your own mod for tuning the O2 sensor (or you can buy
them ready built).  He also sells them ready made for $220.

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Smack.pdf

Their website is http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Smack.html

I've been reading up and thinking about building one myself.

[ScooterB]

My grandfather has a system like this on his Delta88 that he pulled a travel trailer with and it works.

[AmericanRobster]

I could see how this 1200 dollar system could possibly pay for its self in the long long run.....

[Mudneck]

L@@k at it on e-bay , a lot less costly & seems simple enough to make. I'm building one. I actually seen one this past weekend working. Very impressed. My diesel dually has been getting 15mpg city,03 f-350 6.0 stock. Worse case scenario I can plug the hole back up where the gas goes into & abandon it cheap enough to build. Waste more $$$$ in booby bar

[AmericanRobster]

Let us know how it works!